Exactly and it's because of that that Window-Eyes is now destroyed. So FS would say, you can only buy JAWS. You can't use any competing products. You can't do this in other products. You can only do this in JAWS. You can't do this, you can't do that, etc. If you push our products, we'll give you kickbacks. We'll give you a discount if you not only push our products but also if you script for us. Here's your money, now, sign the contract. So the counselors would sign the contract blindly before looking at it right butch? -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:44 PM To: Tom Kingston via Talk Cc: Butch Bussen Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
You are so right, Tom. When I was a client in Nevada and for a short time an employee, they pushed Jaws totally. they bought from cross roads, a division of easter seals and those vendors wined and dined the counselors to convince them to buy their products. Of course, if any scripting was done, the state paid through the nose . I know Doug tried to get vfo to do a window-eyes keyboard interface as window-eyes did for jaws, and vfo flat refused. To me, jaws isn't intuitive at all and I still run window-eyes. I will do so until it quits working. When that time comes, I may go to a braille-sense or something like that for e-mail and internet. On Sun, 20 Aug 2017, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: > You're right, Dennis. VFO bought their biggest competitor. They have > the code. They're not going to give it or sell it to anyone. It's no > different than the countless companies that Apple, Microsoft, Google, > and Facebook are constantly buying. They either buy them to kill the > competition or because they want the technology. It's very hard for > new startups with new technology today because who can say no when > they've been struggling for years and then one of the aforementioned > giants dangles three-hundred million under their nose, which for you > conspiracy theorists, is *not* what happened with GW Micro. > > FS may pick and poke at the Window-Eyes code to see if there's > anything they can use as long as none of us can see that it came from > Window-Eyes. That's their egotistical manner of operation. And I'm not > even sure if they care enough to do that. I think the beast is out of > control and they'll never spend the time to reel it back in unless > they realize their life depends on it and it's not too late. Today iOS > or Android is enough for many people to do everything they want: surf > the web, email, social media, music, movies, news, and on and on. And > of course there's the NVDA and up and coming Narrator avenues as well. > > Users are not the priority at FS. I've known this for years. But the > little time I've spent with JAWS has really confirmed it big time. > I've never in my thirty years of computing seen a less user friendly > non-intuitive user interface. They'd have to be brain-dead not to know > this. Screen readers have gotten more complicated over the years. And > as Doug realized years ago it was time for a new UI. But it's a > considerable project; one that the folks at FS obviously are not > willing to take on. To lifelong JAWS users it defined the norm. But to > anyone else the JAWS UI is a disgrace compared to that of Window-Eyes, > which comparatively speaking is self-explanatory. I now can see why > non-power-users have to simply accept what it is out of the box. > They're not willing to spend days trying to figure out how to make a > simple change in the convoluted labyrinth they call a UI. It's like > buying a home with a thousand rooms and that home has a thousand doors on its exterior. Virtually nothing is obvious or self-explanatory. > > And Olusegun? It's virtually impossible to crack a big low-level > program like Window-Eyes. And even if someone could there's no such > thing as porting it over to Android. At best it could be used as a > template for an extremely skilled group of programmers to use as a > guideline. Mobile operating systems like Android do not possess the > inherent ability, programability, or processing power to do half of what a full blown screen reader can do. > > Regards, > Tom > > > On 8/20/2017 1:37 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: >> They won't give code up. Come on think that through. What company >> do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for >> profit to just give it away. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> Sky Mundell via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Cc: Sky Mundell >> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >> >> They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> Dennis Long via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Cc: Dennis Long >> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >> >> I'm pretty sure they own the code. I say this for a few reasons 1 >> they bought AI Squared and their products. What are their products? >> WE is one of those. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> Sky Mundell via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM >> To: [email protected]; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Cc: Sky Mundell >> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >> >> I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes >> code or anything. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> Olusegun >> -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long' >> Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. >> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >> >> Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that >> Window-Eyes is dead!! That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive >> screen reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun! >> Maybe--just maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes >> code and PORT IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O. >> Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again! >> >> Sincerely, >> Olusegun >> Denver, Colorado >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40 >> shaw.ca >> . >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl >> 1982%40 >> gmail.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40 >> shaw.ca >> . >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl >> 1982%40 >> gmail.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%4 0charter.net. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/butchb%40shell world.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > > _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. 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