Hi David,

I followed your instructions but got the same ding noise I get when firefox upgrqades to the latest version. I am running the 32 bit version.

I pressed alt d, then f6. The same ding. Like being in an edit box that is stuck there. All I hear is ding. I have uninstalled firefox 3 times since last night and each time firefox has upgraded. Even though I have it set not to upgrade.

It is strange how some people aring this phenomenon and others aren't. My friend is running firefox, same version as I am. windows 7. pentium processor, 500 ghz hard drive. 8 gig ram. All very wierd.

It does seem like a focus problem but what and why?

Live long and prosper, John

-----Original Message----- From: David via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2017 11:02 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; WE English Mailinglist
Cc: David
Subject: Re: Latest Firefox, and accessibility

Forgot to say, I am still running Windows7 pro 64bit, in case the OS
might be the bottleneck.


On 10/7/2017 12:01 PM, David via Talk wrote:
I do not want to start a new lengthy arguing over accessibility issues.
Yet, a few days ago, we had a discussion running here, as to the latest
version of Firefox - 56 - which some users had experienced issues with.

I did not have any intention in running into accessibility issues, and
hence told my Firefox never to update. It is done under tools, Options,
Advanced, and choose the update tab. Nevertheless, this morning when
starting my Firefox, it still updated itself. I got the message on the
screen, that the update was taking place, and though I could say a few
things about a setting in the Firefox options, which apparently is
nothing but useless - I had no choice but to let the update complete
itself. My reasoning was that first it insisted on upgrading, I could
always roll it back afterwards.

When the upgrading was finished, I checked under Tools, Help, About -
and the current installation says

      Firefox 56.0, 32bit.

I now have used it for a couple of hours, browsing around, and do see no
trouble with this version of Firefox, along with the latest (and last)
version of WinEyes, that is, version 9.5.4.

I do recall there has been a few comments about the 64bit version of
Firefox from the past. And hence i was wondering if the users who told
us not to update to the latest Firefox, due to their accessibility
issues, would happen to be running the 64bit version.

As an alternative, in attempting to see a reason for some experiencing
trouble in latest version, I do wonder if there could be a focusing
issue. Would any of you, who initially reported the loss of
accessibility in Firefox 56, maybe want to try the following.
1. Open Firefox, and go to any website.
2. Press Alt-D, as in Delta.
3. Press F6.
4. Try navigating the website.
Are you still unable to perform any action on the page? If so, check
under Help/About,and see if you are running 64- or 32bit version. Please
note, a 32bit software can be run perfectly well on a 64bit machine, but
you cannot run a 64bit software on a 32bit computer. Most computers now
aday, are 64bit machines, and yet, often you are encouraged to run the
32bit software, due to the 64bit technology being more vulnerable for
technical issues.

This is no attempt in advicing anyone, in their choice of browser or
version. I am just curious why some have reported their systems facing
issues, whereas my system had none. Could it even be there was something
going wrong in your updating process? Or, could it be due to some of the
add-ons you have installed under Firefox, and which no longer are
up-to-date, due to the new add-on policy of the Mozilla group? Try
starting your Firefox with all Add-ons disabled, and see if that solves
any issues.

Really, it would be bad, should a number of users ditch an otherwise
good browser, or abstain from updating, due to some misunderstood
accessibility issues. That's why, I decided to report my findings,
hoping to hear from others who could shed further light on what possibly
could cause issues for some. Perhaps we even could help them solve their
issues, and have them back up running the Firefox browser again; even
with last version of WinEyes.
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