Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

Loy Green via Talk Tue, 07 Jan 2020 06:39:49 -0800

to turn off sticky keys type sticky keys in the search box and in settingsyou can unchecked use shortcut key to use sticky keys.----- Original Message -----From: "madl--- via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

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Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

Hello,
It seem to be many Jaws user having the same problem.  It is possible that
is problem cause by Jaws.  I  am not sure how to make them aware of the

issue. Couple week ago I was able to demonstrate the problem to one ofthe

tech support but, he simply ignored that, blame it the keyboard.
Anyone has any Idea?
Thanks

P.S.
I  don't think we all have sticky keyboard issue.
Moe

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Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

I've experienced this issue in JAWS as well and have had to kill WE orJAWSfrom the task manager. Sometimes Outlook hangs too and seems to createthis

issue.



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Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

Hello,

I have a new keyboard which I purchased two weeks ago and I thoughtthis

will solve my problem.  In my case I  don't think the keys are sticking
physically.  I  didn't have this problem until recent update from MS. For
now, when I  have this issue, I  go to taskbar then to desktop.  That fixs
the problem for a  while .

Thanks

Moe

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Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
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Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

That is different.  "sticky keys", when it says that in windows, when you
press a key more than once fast, is made so that people can type with one

hand. So that if they need to hit, say, control something, they can hitthe

control, and it will stay registered until you hit the key that goes along
with it in order to do a certain function.  That doesn't have to do with

keys getting stuck. Mine, though, is an actual key that gets stuck, whenI

least expect it.  It's the righthand shift key that gets stuck.  Pam.

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Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

Hello all,
I  am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key.  I

thought it is my keyboard. I got a new one. That didn't solve theissue.It something with MS window. If you press shift key five times in therow,you will hear something like sticky key but, I am not sure what I needtodo to stop it. This function was added for people that don't have abilityto

type with both hands. Please let me know if anyone find a  solution.
Thanks

Moe

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Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

I have had theis problem once in a while for years.  Something strange in
wineyes.  Sometimes reloading a different set file will solve the problem.
Often as you said, just restarting wineyes solves the problem.
 I've never found a way to make it happen, some times it just does.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.

On
Mon, 6 Jan 2020, David via Talk wrote:

Have suspected this for a little while, and now I am pretty sure. Do
not know the fix, neither the reason why things happen.

It is a known fact, that sometimes a key could get mechanically stuck
in its pressed position. The Shift, Alt and Ctrl keys are specially
vulnerable to this kind of behavior. This of course, do cause a load
of strange things to happen. You type an F, and up comes the File-menu
of the software; since the computer registers the keystroke as an
Alt-F. It is all due to dirt and grease, getting into your keyboard
over

time.

Even small objects - like tiny screws or the like, that might have
fallen down on your keyboard at any time, might have got underneath
your key-caps and eventually causes funny things like this.

The remedy for all of this behavior, is to press your Alt,Ctrl and
Shift keys several times. Usually that will release whatever has got

stuck.


But once in a while, I have had things getting stuck, and no
solution.The big remedy then, has been to restart the computer.
Apparently, this has been due to some issue more of the software-based
kind. It just has been to determine what software could cause the
situation. Like I stated initially, I do not have the final answer.
Yet, for several weeks, I suspected WinEyes to play a role. When the
sticky thing comes around, I will typically experience the Ctrl key
being stuck. Everything I try to do, is performed as if I had kept my
Ctrl-key pressed. Funny thing is, if I open NVDA, the issue is gone.
This morning, when the issue again took place, I decided to do a bit
of

testing.


First I thought it could be due to an app in my screen reader's
collection. So when the issue started, I tried to get to the WinEyes
ControlPanel. Physically pressing Ctrl-Backslash, had absolutely no
effect, which quite often happens. Alt-Tabbing to the panel, is out of
question, since I have WinEyes set to automatically hide from the
Alt-Tab list. So the only way now, was to go to the Taskbar, and press
Enter on WinEyes. Sure enough, the panel came up, and I went to the
App-menu, and turned off all apps. Then back to my internet working,
attempting to perform some browse mode commands. Pressing C, to get to
the next Combo box, had no effect. Pressing T, for next Table, only
opened a new tab in my browser. And pressing other navigation letters,
caused whatever funny and somehow interesting things to take place.
was almost like a new computer game. hahaha.

Allright, as I told you, things like this happens every now and then.
And normally, opening NVDA will fix the issue. Though now, I decided
not to walk the normal lane. On the contrary, I alt-Tabbed back to the
WinEyes panel, and hit Alt-F4. The screen reader closed itself down,
all well. I then restarted WinEyes, using a hotkey combination of my
choice, which does not include any of the standard modifier-keys. This
way, i am sure no Ctrl, Alt or Shift key was pressed, during the close
down or restarting process of the screen reader.

Do I have to tell you what was the result? Sure thing. WinEyes opened,
and the sticky Ctrl key has gone for vacation. No touching of the Ctrl
neither on the left or right side of the keyboard. Neither on my
laptop's built-in keyboard, or on the attached USB one, did I touch
any Ctrl-key. All I did, was to restart WinEyes.

Since turning off all apps did not solve the problem, and due to the
fact that restarting the screen reader did take care of the trouble -
I am left to draw the conclusion that something strange sits in the
core code of WinEyes. Could it be some coding that - under given
situations - will poke its nose out, and conflict with some activity
of other software? Might it happen, that some residues from other
software might have caused this to come up? Or, could it be in one of
the apps, and who knows why WinEyes is unable to wipe it out, even
when all apps are being turned off? Since restarting the screen reader
is all it takes, it seems something just needs to be nullified.
Something that the screen reader does, through its initialization. Or,
something that it manages to close down, whenever the screen reader is

being unloaded altogether.


Restarting the screen reader is not all that much of a go, if that is
all it takes to solve a frustration. Still, i did wonder, if any of
you have had the same experience, or something similar. OK, still
under Win7 for a moment, so not sure if this is something that might
have been cared for in later flavors. The issue has been going on for
years, but seems to me, to take place more frequent lately.

Just for the record, I do not exactly blame this on WinEyes. I just
wonder if something in the screen reader, along with whatever other
activity is ongoing on my computer, could get in conflict and cause
this issue. One of the big challenges for software developers, that
one. Your coding is perfectly well done, but other pieces of software
do not tie in smoothly, and you are left with the challenge of
figuring why; and how to prevent your software from getting into that

troublesome corner.

Why i even wonder if one of the apps, could cause something to get

stuck, even to the extent, it will still stick when the app is turnedoff.

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