I have been getting good results from Vocalizer Tom under Jaws, the pauses seem to be in the right place -- although I did set punctuation to all, but that is just me. One thing I used to do even with WindowEyes was to lengthen the pause by using a dictionary to change a comma to comma followed by a period if I wanted a longer pause.
On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 18:33:37 -0400, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote: > > I don't know whether there is security in numbers, but I too have > always been frustrated when using Jaws by my inability to > lengthen pauses between sentences. > Frankly, at this point, I continue to use Window-eyes for any > computer task I wish to do. If for some reason, it doesn't work, > I will then revert to Jaws. > One Jaws 2021 feature which is great is the ability to read most > PDFs immediately. Unfortunately, my electric bills are among the > unreadable PDFs. > > > Don Roberts > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pedersen via Talk" > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > To: "Larry Higgins via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > Cc: "David Pedersen" <trailerda...@hotmail.com> > Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 2:56 PM > Subject: Re: JAWS and read-all > > > > Larry, > > I know what you are talking, and among other things, it's one > > of the reasons why I don't use Jaws much. As one of the others > > pointed out, it might to a certain degree depend on the > > synthesizer. But like you stated, you have tested several > > synths, and the many settings. Have to admit, that even under > > WinEyes I have seen the behavior with certain, less known > > synths. One of my synths here, has the breaks you would expect > > to have at the period, ehenever it comes to a comma. And > > likewise, when it comes to a comma, it will only have the > > pausing that you normally would have at the end of a > > phrase. This all causes the narrating to make long pauses in > > the middle of the phrase, and almost no pausing between the > > sentences - meaning tthat you many times loose the mainpoint in > > thhhhhhhhhhhe text. > > > > Afraid I do not have much other comfort here, but letting you > > know you are not alone. And it is most likely the result of > > sluggish handling, in the synth, just as much as in the screen > > reader. By the way, I do see it even under the TalkBack with > > Android, combined with some synths. > > > > Agreed, with Jaws it seems to be the case with all > > synthesizers, leading me to conclude that the screen reader > > does not communicate well enough with the synths - or, could it > > be that I just have not tested the right synths. Smiles. > > > > If you want to read books, and you really want to put a bit of > > resources into the project, I would suggest you check out the > > shareware named TextAloud, manufactured by Nextup.com. It will > > leave you numerous ways of tayloring your reading > > experience. You have many adjustments for speed, and > > pausing. You can, if you want the extra job, have given parts > > of a text read out with an alternative voice, like whatever is > > enclosed in parenthesis, or quotations. All you need is the > > TextAloud software, and one or more SAPI voices. Nextup sells > > you what you need, and offers you high-end voices, like the > > Ivona and Vocalizer ones - all to affordable prices. The > > software developing team is well aware of screen reader users, > > hence the software has setups for you and me. Smiles. And, they > > are quick and friendly in helping you out, should you send them > > a message. Best of all, you even get the chance of converting > > your text files into MP3s, that you can actually generate your > > personalized audiobook of t > > he the file, and replay it on your portable player wherever you > > want. Even if you want to split a long text into individual > > smaller files, like if you want each chapter of your book to be > > in its own file, it has helpful features to perform such > > automatically, in a rather short and intuitive manner. > > > > OK, so it does not solve your issue, when browsing the net, or > > sorting your mailbox. But it would greatly help you out, when > > you invest a bit of setup, for your next book or long > > document. Personally I have read several books by the use of > > it, and got such used to the electronic voice, that I even > > started to put the human modulation into it, in my mind. > > > > Hope this gave you something, even if it hardly was any real > > answer to your initial query. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Talk > > <talk-bounces+trailerdavid=hotmail....@lists.window-eyes.com> > > on behalf of Larry Higgins via Talk > > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 12:17 PM > > To: WindowEyes List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > > Cc: Larry Higgins <larryhiggin...@comcast.net> > > Subject: JAWS and read-all > > > > To whomever might be left to read this, I hope that you might have some > > suggestions, or at least observations on what I consider to be almost a > > deal-breaking issue when it comes to re-upping my annual subscription to > > JAWS. BTW, I have brought this to the attention to JFW list members, but > > have received no satisfactory answers. This issue is the way that JAWS > > and its say-all feature paces its reading of any document, no matter > > what synthesizer might be being used. I like to call it "reading rhythm." > > > > > > When reading, the phrasing is rushed in my opinion, meaning that the > > ends and beginnings of sentences are so close together that it is hard > > for me to process what went before before I've had a chance to mentally > > prepare myself for the next phrase, or sentence, whichever might present > > itself while reading. > > > > > > I do not have this issue with WE. WE has a pleasant reading pace-rhythm. > > > > I have tried all of the settings provided in the say-all options, but > > none of them restore that kind of rhythm, not to my liking. > > > > > > On another list, when I occasionally have to make mention of > > Window-Eyes, I get the old song and dance about giving up Window-Eyes > > (an end of life product) in favor of the latest screen reading product, > > and I would do just that if I could find a way around this kind of > > unpleasant style of reading. This really does take away from my > > enjoyment of reading with my PC. > > > > > > If anybody who might be left is of the same opinion, or has any ideas as > > to how to get around this rather vexing issue, please respond ASAP > > <smile>. Your solidarity, not to mention wisdom will be gratefully > > appreciated. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > PS. I will observe, that NOAA Weather stations do not use the JFW style > > when presenting weather info, so why should I have to put up with this > > as a blind computer user and voracious PC book reader? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those > > of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai > > Squared. > > > > For membership options, visit > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. > > For subscription options, visit > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > List archives can be found at > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those > > of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai > > Squared. > > > > For membership options, visit > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/donald.roberts99%40gmail.com. > > For subscription options, visit > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > List archives can be found at > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/covici%40ccs.covici.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com -- Your life is like a penny. 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