Hi, my ontology proposal gets finished [1]. I'm currently writing the templates and make some cleanups.
Regards Christian [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Ck3d/Ontology_Proposal Am Sonntag, den 11.01.2009, 10:11 +0100 schrieb Karl Guggisberg: > Hi Denny > > yes, we made some progress, see [1] (there is also another proposal User:Ck3d > is actively working on, see [2]) > > Actually, I'd like to have a semantically enabled copy of OSM available for > testing. I got in touch with > User:Firefishy [3], the OSM wiki admin, but he seems to be offline since ~ > two weeks. Meanwhile, other OSM users > and myself have run some tests in the SMW sandbox [4]. I'd be glad if we had > an SMW instance *including* a snapshot > of the current OSM wiki around for further tests. Any help would be > appreciated! > > Regards > Karl > > [1] > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Machine-readable_Map_Feature_list#Using_Semantic_MediaWiki_in_the_future > [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Ck3d/Ontology_Proposal > [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Firefishy > [4] http://sandbox.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/OSM_Wiki_Sandbox > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Denny Vrandecic [mailto:[email protected]] > Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Januar 2009 18:29 > An: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected]; Yaron Koren > Betreff: Re: AW: [OSM-talk] OSM-WIKI: reducing redundancy, less redundant and > standardized data exchange > > Hi Karl, Hi Yoren, > > I am not sure if this continued. Yaron offers hosting of Semantic MediaWikis, > and I wanted to connect you in case that makes sense and if you need help or > a place to run a semantically enabled copy of OSM for testing purposes. > > Could make a lot of sense :) > > If you have more questions, feel free to ask us. If there's something I could > do I could take a look at it (just my time is quite constrained, as I am > currently in thesis-writing-mode) > > Cheers, > denny > > Karl Guggisberg wrote: > > Hi denny > > > > I had a second look at the documentation and I now understand how Semantic > > MediaWiki can help us. > > > > Assume map features were described by three attributes: a key, a value and > > a description, like > > {MapFeature key="foo" value="bar" description="desc"} > > > > Then we would create a Wiki page [[Tag:foo=bar]] (as we do today): > > > > ----------- beginwiki of [[Tag:foo=bar]] bla bla bla > > > > <!-- the properties of Semantic MediaWiki --> [[key::foo]] > > [[value::bar]] [[description::desc]] > > ----------- endwiki > > > > On the [[Map Features]] page we could ask for this data (the following > > example automatically creates a table, we have full control over > > rendering using wiki templates, if we want to) > > > > ----------- #beginwiki of [[Map Features]] > > {{#ask: [[Tag:foo=bar]] > > | ?key = Key > > | ?value = Value > > | ?description = Description > > }} > > ----------- #endwiki > > > > > > On yet another page we could include information about the map feature: > > > > ----------- #beginwiki of [[Yet another page]] The map feature > > [[Tag:foo=bar]] is described as follows: > > * Key: {{#show: Tag:foo=bar | ?key}} > > * Value: {{#show: Tag:foo=bar | ?value}} > > * Description: {{#show: Tag:foo=bar | ?description}} > > ----------- #endwiki > > > > > > I'd like to use SemanticWiki for the OSM wiki. This will bring us a step > > further to managing map feature data. > > > > I'd like to have a kind of sandbox to work on this. Could somebody provide > > an installation of MediaWiki including SemanticWiki and a copy of the > > current OSM Wiki content on a test server? > > > > -- Karl > > > > > > -----Urspr ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Denny Vrandecic [mailto:[email protected]] > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. Dezember 2008 10:07 > > An: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Betreff: [OSM-talk] OSM-WIKI: reducing redundancy, less redundant and > > standardized data exchange > > > > (Karl, since the list is probably closed for outside postings, can you > > please forward this answer to the list?) > > > > I stumbled on this thread via Google Alert, so excuse me for not being > > much knowledgeable about the OpenStreetMaps wiki (I'm a big fan of > > OSM, > > though!) -- but I know a little bit about Semantic MediaWiki. > > > > So one of the major ideas is indeed to be able to declare a piece of > > information on one page, and then reuse the data in other places, > > especially summary sites. > > > > Example: on the "Statue of Liberty" page you would say "Tourist > > attraction=major" and "located in=New York, NY" and on then, in other > > places, you could create queries to summarize such data from the wiki, i.e. > > > > List of all major tourist attractions: > > {{#ask:[[Torist attraction::Major]]}} > > or > > List of all tourist attractions in New York, NY: > > {{#ask:[[Tourist attraction::+]] [[located in::New York, NY]]}} etc. > > > > If you want, keep me in the loop for this thread, and I will answer > > question. I'd be very happy to see the OSM wiki use SMW, if it makes sense. > > > > Cheers, > > denny > > > > > > > > > > Original message: > > Hi there, > > > > In [2] we see that there are partially redundante declarations of map > > features (descriptions of keys or key/value-pairs for tagging OSM > > primitives) in the wiki. The major reason for redundant is, that they > > appear both on individual pages (like [[Key:heighway]] or > > [[Tag:highway=primary]]) and on summary pages (like [[Map Features]]). So > > far we didn't come up with an approach to *declare* a map feature only once > > on the Wiki (i.e. by instantiating a suitable template) and to *use* this > > declaration both in indvidual pages and in summary pages. > > > > I don't see yet how Semantic MediaWiki could help use here because the > > limited templating approach seems to remain unchanged. An example on how > > Semantic MediaWiki could help to declare, say, the data for the > > key/value-pari highway=primary would be very appreciated. Perhaps on the > > talk page of [2]? > > > > -- Karl > > > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk _______________________________________________ talk mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
