On 4 Mar 2009, at 12:28, Nop wrote: > > Hi! > > Russ Nelson schrieb: >>> Hopefully you know and trust the lawyers, foundation, whoever, ... >>> involved. WE PROBABLY DON'T KNOW THEM SO WHY SHOULD WE MAGICALLY >>> TRUST >>> THEM?!? >> >> You can't. There is no magic wand to create trust. Only through >> time >> and repeated interaction can you learn to trust somebody. And if >> you've >> been around for more than a year, you've had that time and those >> interactions -- if you've chosen to pay attention. If you expect to >> participate in the process afterwards, then I think your expectations >> are off. > > Pay attention to what? There was no attempt to inform a wider number > of > people. That is exactly the point. I have been around for 6 months, > I am > subscribed to talk and talk-de and until two weeks ago I was > completely > unaware that there was a planned change of licence at all. And then it > was not some official information but mentioned in a private > discussion.
We've not always done a great job of communicating for a variety of reasons but it was never with malice. > I recon there was no way to find out about this short of subscribing > to > legal talk - and why on earth would any mapper do that if he has no > idea > that anything concerning him is going on? > > This is the first time an ordinary OSM member had a chance to get > notice > of the licence change and I bet you that there are 80000 account > holders > who still have no idea that anything is going on - so the process is > just starting now. And we still have failed to give notice and > understandable (translated) information to the majority of > participants. I want to correct something here, there is this view of 100,000 users needing consent. The number is in fact far smaller for people who ever made an edit (about 30% of the users). It's vastly smaller still for anyone who has edited anything significant. It's an easier problem than you might think, is what I'm saying. Far easier than convincing you I don't have a satanic portal in my basement. Best Steve _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
