On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 6:13 AM, Anthony <o...@inbox.org> wrote: > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Matt Amos <zerebub...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> CC BY-SA imposes requirements *using* copyright law. > > No it doesn't. Copyright law imposes requirements. CC-BY-SA provides a > waiver to some of those requirements.
a conditional waiver - the conditions of which aren't imposed by copyright law. >> > ODbL, on the other hand, is a standard bilateral contract. >> >> which still gives you *more* rights. > > What right does it give me which I didn't already have? under the current license, in your jurisdiction, apparently none. >> from my reading of creative commons comments they're saying something >> very different from what you seem to be saying. but maybe i'm just >> misunderstanding you. > > I guess so, which is why I quoted them. > >> > The result is that the ODbL can in certain >> > circumstances impose obligations and restrictions on users under a >> > contract >> > theory, rather than based on a protection afforded by statute, common >> > law, >> > or other recognized right. >> >> indeed. this is kind of the point: the US and some other jurisdictions >> don't yet have a database rights law, so to enforce similar >> restrictions to CC BY-SA it's necessary to use some other method. > > Okay, well, that's my point. I don't want to have those restrictions > imposed. they're intended to be imposed. CC BY-SA doesn't work, but the intention of the licensing is clear. did you look at the CC BY-SA license and say, "hey, these guys want me to share-alike, but i'm in a jurisdiction where that's unenforceable, so i'll just take the data, not attribute and give nothing back"? > Although, I don't see how they're "similar restrictions to CC-BY-SA", since > you agree that CC-BY-SA doesn't enforce those restrictions. yes, i should have said "similar restrictions to those that intended by a choice of CC BY-SA", but sometimes i get bored of typing so much ;-) > I live in the United States. I can do whatever the heck I want with the OSM > database. Now you want me to agree to a contract limiting those rights. So > I'll ask again: What's in it for me? nothing directly. but maybe you'd like to respect the intentions of those other contributors who agreed to a license that they thought would ensure that you can't do whatever the heck you want without attributing and sharing-alike? cheers, matt _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk