SteveC wrote: [snip] > Right up front we have the school of thought that everything is perfect the > way it is. That uservoice is some kind of inherently crappy system (see the > uservoice ideas page at http://osm.uservoice.com/ ). That we shouldn't allow > people to use tools which make fixing the map easier (see @chilly on > twitter), that people are inherently stupid and there should be a barrier to > entry to editing in OSM because it's complicated. This school of thought is > essentially still living in 1991 and I'll call this school the Game Haters: > everything is wrong, even talking about it is wrong. > > [snip]
The first time I tried to use UserVoice, it hung. When I tried later in the day I got an HTML error. I call that crappy for a live system. I have NOT said that we shouldn't allow people to use tools which make fixing the map easier. The quote was: "Pushing people (newbies) to use KeepRight is a recipe for havoc. You need experience to use KeepRight so you know what to ignore." You clearly agreed with me Steve, you even created a video to try to give people help in using it. Your video still assumes that people are experienced users, but hey, you tried. If you had researched a little before your latest explosion, you would have realised that I'm not against feedback (just against crappy bolt-ons). The suggestion to improve your mock-up, once I'd managed to get it into UserVoice, is currently top of the list. You believe that feedback is a good thing, but, it seems, only if the feedback confirms your own ideas. You have railed against the UI, against hard-working volunteer contributors and against anyone who disagrees with you, who's left? I do think that there are many things to improve in OSM, but upsetting people is not going to achieve any of them. One thing you might like to try to rebuild is your personal Interface with the Community, which looks broken to me, probably crushed under your ego. One more thing, the stuff you write on blogs and published email will remain permanently on the Internet, so before you make disparaging remarks or write untruths about people on a public forum consider the impact you might have on reputations. Chris (twitter:@chillly) _______________________________________________ talk mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
