On 16.08.2010 22:34, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,

Peter Wendorff wrote:
Deletion of attribute-less objects will never be a problem, as long as nobody tries to get information from that objects (not included from my point of view).

Wrong because someone could try to build an object from them in the next step.
As I said, that would be no problem, as long as this "someone" does not download my changes in between - he already has his already uploaded nodes in his editor.
[...]
To me, the logical equivalent would be covering every unmapped place in "fixme"s.)
Would that be wrong?
For me that sounds completely acceptable: missing data in the map should be fixed - it's in some cases not worse than wrong data. A white area in the map of course is sometimes obviously a todo hint, but I don't see, why the fixme note would be wrong there.
As I said, I am not religious about this particular "personal touch" that people may have in mapping. What I dislike is the basic idea of creating rules that everyone must follow (combined with "but what's the PROBLEM in following my rule?").
Well - I didn't want to give a rule for that. In contrast I would like to leave it as it is - allowing you (and others) to use empty geometry to describe todo's and - on the other hand - allowing everybody to delete objects that has no observable information for the database. The latter includes allowing bots deleting empty nodes, just because they are often created by faults, too.
We must create rules only as a last resort; only where there is no other way but for everyone to do the same.

The real art is to identify the places where one must have rules, and leave anything else alone. Every extra rule makes OSM less good. That's my basic message - the "..." is just an example.
If you want, don't take it as a rule - more like a hint: if you use empty nodes, there are people, who think, they are useless and can be deleted; and as they don't have information for everybody except you, that's true for the biggest part of the community.

regards
Peter

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