Hi,

I've been thinking about the 12nm territorial borders on sea that we have in many places, notably in Europe. Many of them seem to have been auto-generated by simply placing a buffer around the coastline.

My first question is, do they really have legal significance? They certainly give the impression of high precision, hugging every protruding bit of coastline in a safe distance.

For example, if I am inside this triangle between Scotland and Ireland, will my legal status (concerning, say, fishing quotas, or whom I can marry on board of my vessel, or whatever funny things influcenced by international borders) be really any different from the status I had if I moved my vessel 2 miles in either direction?

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=55.065&lon=-5.567&zoom=10&layers=M

Or are we, by using these auto-generated (and perhaps not human-reviewed?) borders, suggesting a precision that isn't there? Would the UK coastguard have a good laugh when I claim to be in international waters at that location?

My second question is, assuming that indeed there is significance to the 12 nm boundary - should such auto-generated data be in OSM at all? If you're out on the sea, should whatever navigational aid you carry not compute by itself how far you are from the coast, rather than telling you whether you're to the left or to the right of a previously computed 12nm line?

And my third question is, assuming that there are really good reasons for having these lines in OSM - who takes care of updating them once the coastline is modified by a mapper? I think it is a rather unique situation to have that kind of data-derived-from-other-OSM-data in OSM itself, and thus this has many of the same problems that an import would have (i.e. the source data has changed, what now).

I'm not saying we should delete them; but whenever I see them on the map I tend to shrug and say "well, seems like someone was trying out his PostGIS skillz", and somehow I have the suspicion that the 12nm line as depicted on our maps may be little more than "that's what computer geeks do if you tell them the border is 12 miles out...".

I'd like to hear from people who tell me that yes, these borders are really useful to have ;)

Bye
Frederik

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