On 19 Apr 2011, at 09:41, David Groom wrote:

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Davie" <[email protected]>
>> 
>> The thing you're not understanding is that this isn't a vote.  It's an 
>> agreement to distribute your work under a new license.
> 
> No, the CT's  are an agreement to contribute work, not to distribute it.

Sorry, I misspoke.

>> That 70% *have* agreed to distribute their work under the new license.  It 
>> is entirely valid for the camp that wants to move to the ODbL sooner rather 
>> than later to count the 70% in their stats, because accepting the new 
>> license is all that matters, not some imaginary war between "yes" and "no".
>> 
> 
> It's not valid to count people who haven't voted in the "YES" statistics. Its 
> valid to say all the people who have never edited would automatically have 
> agreed to the CT's, any more than it is valid to say that all the people who 
> have never edited would not have agreed to the CT's.

But again – it's not a matter of voting yes, it's a matter of agreeing to 
contribute under a license.  There's no voting going on here, just a bunch of 
people letting OSM use their changes after the switch, and a bunch not letting 
them.  No one is "counting the 70% in the yes vote" – instead, they are saying 
"this 70% have no impact on us changing to the new license because no data will 
be deleted if we simply dump these users".

> Nor is it valid to simply switch these people over to the  new CT's without 
> incident.  OK, don't let these people edit without agreeing to the new CT's, 
> but to simply switch their accounts to the new CT's on the assumption they 
> would agree, and it doesn't affect ant data currently in the OSM database, is 
> not right.

No one is proposing switching them to the new CTs – what's going to happen is 
that their data (all none of it) is simply going to be dropped.  The biggest 
impact this will have on OSM is that 2 or 3 people will come back in a while 
going "didn't I have an account here 2-3 years ago?  Hmm, can't remember the 
name, I'll create a new one" and will agree to the new CTs when they sign up 
again.

Bob
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