In general i know Henk as a reasonable man, and I know he is in politics in the Netherlands
so she should knew better then referencing to this would-be-dictator Pierens Doodle Poll. Read it and you will understand why is some "democratic" countries revolutions started. This Is what I call blackmail democracy. (the Poll does not even mention the CT) The Poll starts as follows: You are not a member of the OSMF but in February 2010, you will be asked to accept the new Odbl or your account will be closed and all you contributions deleted from the database (or hidden which is the same). If one does not read carefully, one might even conclude that as a result of this poll your account may be closed. Serge Wroclawski wrote about this poll: ...separately by the community by a different community member who had concerned over the first poll. I wonder what the concerns might have been.... This is a very good example of how democracy should not work. Kadhaffi would do no better. And it makes me fully understand why TimC writes: The community polls were post-hoc rationalizing, window dressing, unofficial and poorly worded. In legitimate democratic votes, the vote occurs BEFORE the decision to implement a plan takes place. It is tacitly acknowledged in that the mechanism in the CTs is different from what previously had happened. But really the past doesn't matter as much as what we do next Gert Gremmen ----------------------------------------------------- Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest) P Before printing, think about the environment. Van: Henk Hoff [mailto:[email protected]] Verzonden: Monday, June 13, 2011 11:55 PM Aan: Nathan Edgars II CC: [email protected] Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF ! On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Nathan Edgars II <[email protected]> wrote: Serge Wroclawski-2 wrote: > > Next, about a year later, a vote amongst OSMF membership was > taken.This isn't the board, but the entire membership. Since it was a > decision that was to effect the direction of the OSMF, this makes > sense to me.. > This was before my time, but from what I understand it was not a vote on whether to switch to ODbL, but whether to start the process of creating a license and deciding whether we should switch. Before everybody understands things differently. The OSMF-membership vote *was* about moving to the ODbL and the (older version of) CT. Outcome: 98% of voters in favor of the proposed change, 2% against. During the time of the OSMF-membership vote, there was also a vote initiated by the community, which can be seen here: http://doodle.com/feqszqirqqxi4r7w Outcome: 75% would accept the new license, 11% undecided, 14% not (at that time) There has been similar polls by the community during that time with similar results. Both (the vote and the poll) show a large majority in favor of the proposed change. Again: ODbL combined with CT. This was done *before* all the new sign-ups were asked to sign the CT. Based on this outcome of the membership-vote the process to change the license was continued. The polls in the community were no reason to change this decision. Cheers, Henk
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