Pawel,

you are too impatient, at least too impatient for the occasionally glacial pace at which things move in OSM(F).

You have been with OSM for about 6 months now if I'm not mistaken, and most of your recent messages (at least most of the messages that reach me) are about how and why you might be leaving. Most people take a bit longer than that!

You are also jumping to conclusions ("OSMF doesn't want to set agenda for the future") - maybe OSMF simply wants to think it over?

The work you've done for OSM is undoubtedly of a high standard, and your "history tab" prototype was widely acclaimed. I don't want to diminish that effort at all - but I do feel that I need to put in into perspective. There are many others who have, over the years, done much more work that you have, in their spare time, and who haven't after only six months sent lots of emails about having to abandon all their work if OSMF doesn't finally manage to implement strategic planning or so.

In fact, for most coders, what OSMF does or doesn't to was quite irrelevant. It seems that in your particular case you see a connection between coding for OSM and the OSMF because ultimately you would like to get paid for your work, and you don't see OSMF paying developers without a strategic plan. Is that reading correct, or do you simply fear that without a strategically planning organisation the OSM project will die and your contributions with it?

You have, several times, mentioned KDE e.V. as a good example. I looked at their quarterly report and indeed, personally I would quite approve of OSMF going in that direction. It seems that the KDE people are spending a lot of money to facilitate meetings between volunteer developers, paying for flights and accomodation and such. Of course they are a software development project, whereas in OSM the software development is only one part of several, but still, things like paying for a developer to fly to a code sprint or so sounds like something that would make sense. But even though software development is at the core of the KDE project, KDE e.V. doesn't pay for coding work as far as I can see; their staff is administrative only.

Also, KDE e.V. is now 15 years old, the OSMF is 7; you should be looking at KDE e.V. documents from 2005 to make a fair comparison ;) - but even back then they had a nice quarterly report: http://ev.kde.org/reports/ev-quarterly-2005Q3.pdf

Finally, I am somewhat puzzled by the connection that you (and also Jeff) seem to make between the perceived lack of planning and the current trademark issue that spawned the thread. You wrote

On one hand OSMF is telling us they don't want any strategic planning
and involvement, on the other they are redacting and editing data and
wiki.

And Jeff followed up:

I think Paweł has hit on a key question: does the OSMF have plans to operate 
and lead OSM in a more efficient, organized manner or not?

In what way would an organisation with great strategic planning, one that is "efficient" and "organised", handle such a trademark issue differently? In how far is the current trademark issue a sign of lack of planning? I really don't get it. Is there a connection between these issues that goes beyond "both are issues where the OSMF is criticised by some"?

Bye
Frederik

(I am a member of the OSMF board but this is, as always, completely my personal opinion.)

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