On Saturday 09 May 2015, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Yes, as far as I can see many people have tried to influence Xxzme's > behaviour over the last half year and none have succeeded; as things > are my impression is we have a choice of accepting them like they are > or asking them to leave. Yes it would be desirable to keep their good > edits and drop only the controversial ones, and somehow convince them > to respect other voices, but short of a miracle I don't see that > happening. And if I balance the positive and negative things they do, > at least in my opinion the negatives outweigh the positives.
That mostly also summarizes my view of the matter. I have looked at quite a few of Xxzme's edits and interactions with others and had the experience of such interaction myself [1]. There seems to be an intelligent person behind this (or several - that is not really clear to me) with - despite deficits in English language - significant rhetorical skills. But there clearly is no willingness or ability to use these qualifications to the benefit of the OSM community. The problem is not exclusively Xxzme's attitude but also the combination with the dominance of his/her/their edits due to the large amount of energy and time spent. This is also emphasized by the fact that normal community activity on the wiki is relatively low these days compared to the volume of work that exists there - in other words: much of the wiki is undermaintained by the community. This gives someone like Xxzme a lot of room - both to the good and the bad. You could of course argue that this is not Xxzme's fault - however i also think that from someone dominanting the editing activities to this extent you can expect basic social skills and the ability to interact on a basic social level with others - even if we do not require this equally from others who do only make the occasional change. If there are examples of Xxzme productively interacting with the community this would be good to see, otherwise i strongly concur that the current situation is not working out for the vast majority of wiki contributors and a significant and sustained change to that is required to keep the wiki a place where OSM community members feel welcome. Maybe the whole issue could serve as an incentive for the OSM community, esp. mappers, to get more involved in what is ultimately their wiki. And the troubles caused by Xxzme might make those very active on the wiki and sometimes overly protective of the current state appreciate contributions from newbies even if they are sometimes clumsy as long as they come with the willingness to listen to and interact with others. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Environment -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ _______________________________________________ talk mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
