Hi Russ, I would suggest you contact who is saying that or deleting it (if you can see who that is,) and talk to them, nicely, about your concerns. I bet it's just that people probably aren't familiar with the concept of abandoned railroads as a tag. If they don't see a railroad track where there's a railroad tag, they probably just delete it, thinking that's what you do. The unused: tag (or whatever you use) is not super well known, in my opinion.
From reading your message I am guessing you are quite familiar with railroads, but most people aren't. I've had a similar problem where people delete new buildings that are still empty lots on Bing. Not vandalism, just a lack of understanding. Andrew Sent from my iTelegraph On Aug 11, 2015, at 1:09 AM, Russ Nelson <[email protected]> wrote: > Okay, this has to stop. It just has to stop. Whoever is saying "Yes, > go ahead and delete abandoned railroads wherever you don't see a > railroad" has to stop it. They just HAVE to stop it, because people > are using that advice to vandalize the map. > > Now, you might think "Goddamnit, does Russell have to start again?" > Yes, I have to start again. I was in north-western Pennsylvania last > weekend looking for the Corry Junction Rail Trail. Problem: it hasn't > been entered into OSM yet. But that's not a problem, right? Because OF > COURSE the railway is there, marked as abandoned, right? It isn't. And > I couldn't find the damned trail because the Traillink description is > inadequate. I finally just drove around where the trail HAD to be, and > found it. > > This is unacceptable because: > > 1) on the bing aerials you can see where the railroad went perfectly > fine. It's a line that goes through people's yards, there is a node > from the TIGER data where it used to cross the roads, there is a tree > line the whole way, buildings are aligned to the railbed, people's > driveways bend out of the way of the railbed, etc. > > 2) THERE ARE STILL FREAKING RAILS ON THE SOUTH END. What the hell?? > This is crazy stuff, it's just crazy. Yes, they're not very long, but > they're still connected to the national railroad network. How can > somebody legitimately delete that's obviously there? Answer: they > can't. > > and worst: > > 3) The majority of it is a rail-trail. And not y'know, two weedy ruts > from an ATV trespassing. No, this rail-trail has a stone dust base, > permissive gates (with a hole not big enough for an ATV), and tactile > crossings. This is a *serious* rail-trail. > > And the railroad way that would be the trail got deleted. If you have > ever said "delete things you don't see", then you need to shut the > hell up, because you are making the map worse. Just stop! > > When is it okay to delete things you can't see? Only if it's untouched > TIGER data and you've been there and didn't see it. That's the only > time. Otherwise somebody put that thing into OSM, and they probably > know something you don't. > > -- > --my blog is at http://blog.russnelson.com > Crynwr supports open source software > 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 > Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk _______________________________________________ talk mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
