On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 7:29 PM Greg Troxel <g...@lexort.com> wrote: > Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrak...@gmail.com> writes: > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 8:22 AM Mateusz Konieczny < > matkoni...@tutanota.com> > > wrote: > > > >> I think a country relation should describe how the specific country > think > >> of its borders. So if two countries claim the same territory, those two > >> relations will overlap. > >> > >> That is absurd and conflict with OSM rule to map what exists. > >> > > On the contrary, it actually matches OSM rules better than deciding > > yourself. When drawing a city outline, you go to that city's government, > > and get the geoshape from them. By extension, if you draw a country, you > > should use that country's definition. If two country's definitions > happen > > to overlap, we ought to document both. > > Yes, we use government data to draw boundaries sometimes. When there > are no disputes, and the boundaries from many sources all line up, and > mappers can see on the ground the markers and signs and it's all > consistent, this is perfectly fine. > > The situation of a country claiming territory that is does not > physically control is entirely different. >
Not to mention that the situation of a country claiming territory that it physically controls, but only it recognizes, is also a relatively rare thing this decade. Playing it conservatively in the "Russia claims Crimea and controls it, but unilaterally and by force from Ukraine" is definitely a situation that deserves both claims being mapped until the broader international community does. I believe the original complaint to be generously asking a lot given the context of this specific dispute and they're arguing a side one country says "yes", and literally every other country or very close close to it) says "no". Would be like if the US arbitrarily steamed into the Manitoba and claimed it as a state...pretty sure the world would see both claims and at least have serious problems with one until the locals settled it definitively and, as the world views it, either amicably or definitively but preferably both. Given that Hans Island isn't a settled issue between Canada and Denmark with literally zero people and only speculative resources at stake, 30 years later, don't count on Crimea getting resolved any faster given the current pace to resolve it on the ground.
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