some info for the planning : > .... Wikidata names. I'm guessing thats because they are simply better quality,
most of the labels /names generated/transliterated by bots .. or imported from other databases ( GeoNames !! ) > better modeled, better referenced Wikidata: The Cathedral style ... top-bottom OpenStreetMap: Bazaar style data model: ... bottom-up in the OSM .. There are a lot of name tags : https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=name and it is not easy to map everything to the wikidata model. Wikidata is a graph database .. and there is a "known" scalability problem https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata/2019-June/013124.html *"Scaling graph databases is a "known hard problem", and we are reaching* *a scale where there are no obvious easy solutions to address all the* *above constraints. At this point, just "throwing hardware at the* *problem" is not an option anymore."* can't protect against bad import .. no strict community rules ... for example - the cebwiki re-imported the full GeoNames database ... https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2018/06#A_proposed_course_of_action_for_dealing_with_cebwiki/svwiki_geographic_duplicates https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2018/07#Another_cebwiki_flood%3F https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2017/10#Cebuano > and better protected against vandalism. anyone can modify the wikidata - without registration. in the wikidata JSON dump - no user info .. so it is hard to detect the modifications type ( from logged or unlogged users ) Best, Imre pangoSE <[email protected]> ezt írta (időpont: 2020. aug. 9., V, 10:29): > I suggest we create a roadmap for deprecating of storing and updating > names in OSM for objects with a Wikidata tag. > > The rationale is explained here: > https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/19655 > > This of course affects the whole project and data consumers as well. Every > OSM user will have to become a Wikidata user as well to edit the names or > add name references (through the editors) > > Substantial changes will have to be made: > * nominatim will need to support fetching names from wikidata somehow. It > could probably be done on the fly. > * openstreetmap.org will need to fetch from wikidata when displaying any > object. > * rendering the standard map will have to support fetching from wikidata. > * all editors would have to fetch and enable editing of Wikidata objects. > * maybe it no longer makes sense to have 2 separate logins? We should > unify the logging in as much as possible. Ideas are welcome on how to do > that. Perhaps retire signing up as OSM user on osm.org and ask users to > create a Wikimedia account instead and log in with that? > > I personally don't see any problems connecting Wikimedia and OSM closer > than the islands they are today. > > As mentioned in the ticket above data consumers like Mapbox already prefer > Wikidata names. I'm guessing thats because they are simply better quality, > better modeled, better referenced and better protected against vandalism. > > WDYT? > > Cheers > pangoSE > Ps I choose this list because this not only relates to tagging, but to the > wider ecosystem._______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >
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