> A bigger problem is that the UI for list owners is horrid. Ok. What alternative solutions do you propose?--
14 Dec 2020, 19:07 by t...@compton.nu: > That's just the instructions on how to migrate the data > and it doesn't cover anything related to actually installing > and configuring all the components of mailman 3 from a > quick look which is a big issue given that it's not packaged > and it's a not a single tool like mailman 2 but rather is > a collection of separate components. > > Given that we're already looking at other things there is > no point in spending several months and many man hours on > attempting a migration to something that we have to install > from source and then try and keep up to date without any > upstream packages. > > You're right that the UI tries to be a web forum but from > personal experience I can say that it fails - it's probably > a better UI as a simple archiver but it's no use as a way > of reading lists day to day. The only thing that's ever > got close to that is Discourse. > > A bigger problem is that the UI for list owners is horrid. > > Tom > > On 14/12/2020 18:58, ipswichmap...@tutanota.com wrote: > >> Python's mailing lists use mailman 3: >> >> https://www.python.org/community/lists/ >> <https://www.python.org/community/lists/> >> >> What is the problem with the UI ? It seems far, far more useable than >> pipermail and hyperkitty feels like a forum. >> >> If upgrading isn't possible, well then I guess bad luck. The mailman focs >> doesn't make it look that hard (is it skipping over OSM server specific >> steps that make the process harder?) >> >> https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html >> <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html> >> >> Thanks, >> IpswichMapper >> -- >> >> >> >> 14 Dec 2020, 18:45 by t...@compton.nu: >> >> It's not going to happen. >> >> Virtually nobody uses mailman 3 with the exception of Fedora >> and I know from using it there that the UI is a disaster. >> >> Also it's not packaged for Ubuntu and it's far more complicated to >> deploy than what we have. >> >> Don't think of mailman 3 as an upgrade - it's basically a >> totally different product. >> >> There is talk of a change, but it won't be to mailman 3. >> >> Tom >> >> On 14/12/2020 18:42, ipswichmap...@tutanota.com wrote: >> >> Okay thanks, I'll contact him on github. I don't havd mailman >> administration experience, or that much coding experience for >> that matter. I was just suprised that we are stuck with 10+ >> years old cluttered pipermail when hyperkitty is actually useable. >> >> -- >> >> >> 14 Dec 2020, 18:37 by j...@liotier.org: >> >> From looking at the Mailman Chef cookbook at >> https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/tree/master/cookbooks/mailman >> <https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/tree/master/cookbooks/mailman>, >> Tom Hughes is the person you should ask. If you have mailman >> administration experience, maybe you could make it happen. >> >> >> On 12/14/20 7:18 PM, ipswichmapper--- via talk wrote: >> >> >> I was wondering if all the lists on >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org >> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org> >> could be switched to Mailman 3 and hyperkitty (the newest >> archiver). >> >> Currently, pipermail is used to archive, and its UI is >> *unusable*. >> Comparatevely, hyperkitty is a lot more like a forum. >> >> From my experience, the mailing lists are *far more active* >> than >> the forum, so it would be good to have it searchable & more >> accessible (the only downside to this is newer users might >> use the >> mailing list now. I don't think this is a downside, but I >> understand why others would think so). >> >> Also, Mailman 3 still gets updates, while *mailman2 is on >> maintainance mode and won't recieve feature updates.* >> >> I strongly recommend that the mailing lists are upgraded to >> mailman3 with hyperkitty: this will make the mailing lists >> so, so >> much more useable. >> >> >> >> >> -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) >> http://compton.nu/ >> > > > -- > Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) > http://compton.nu/ >
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