*I object only to the tone of some of the comments, and to assumptions that are made about our motivation, decision process re: our approach, and quality of our skills. I'm not alone in objecting to problems of tone more broadly, and so I feel comfortable insisting on a higher quality discourse here on behalf of myself and the many others who share this concern. I think that good forum etiquette requires that people assume the best and ask clarifying questions. As well, there are several very commonly used phrases and rhetorical devices that can be deployed to make 'advice' feel like advice instead of condemnation or scorn. *
Tone is difficult it is cultural. For example think about gun control. I think Allen Mustard is one of the very few people on the list who comes anywhere near a polite tone that is understandable by many. The American ideas and UK ideas are very different. 1066 might not mean much to many people but it has a great deal of meaning to few. Then you get to big city dwellers and small city dwellers. Small city dwellers tend to have longer greetings than big city dwellers. In some places it is perfectly acceptable to raise an eyebrow as a form of greeting although it might seem odd to you. Surveys on OSM on talk are interesting, it seems everyone and his dog wants to run a survey about OSM mappers and why they do it. There is a concept called respondent burden or "is this yet another survey?" which might explain the lack of enthusiasm you may encounter. There are many people here who don't have English as a first language. Although some such as Americans think they do. I live in Canada which is to a large extent bilingual. In the office we had a francophone who was rated exempt for English oral. I had a coworker who came from the UK not many miles away from where I was born and one day we spoke using local slang and she understood about one word in ten. We could even speak using words she understood but lacked the references for their meaning. OSM is a place where the importance is placed on the map. Social skills are not a job requirement and to be honest some of the most productive or should I say obsessive mappers can be very black and white but they really do great mapping and I think that is important. Finally face to face is usually best for communication which is why I have been known to persuade someone to go to Europe in person to a state of the map when I wanted to pull something together but mailing lists serve a purpose. Cheerio John On Sun, Apr 30, 2023, 17:26 Courtney <courtney.william...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, all, > > Here, thanks to the generosity of some folks on the OWG and OSMF who > donated their time to us so that we could have access to an open source > tool of this quality, is a LimeSurvey version. > > https://osmf.limequery.org/751285?lang=en > > Please do fill it out and share it widely within the mailing lists. Please > do not share it in other channels (Twitter, Mastodon, > community.openstreetmap.org, etc.) as I will be posting unique versions > in those channels. > > Once again, it is OBVIOUSLY our first choice to offer an open source > survey; we didn't because we initially couldn't. Now, we are able to, and > I'm glad of it. I share the concerns that many of you expressed and fully > understand and value the complexity and importance of the commitment to > open source software and data. I also have a good understanding of the > nuances and complexity of this conversation. Indeed, I celebrate them. > > I object only to the tone of some of the comments, and to assumptions that > are made about our motivation, decision process re: our approach, and > quality of our skills. I'm not alone in objecting to problems of tone more > broadly, and so I feel comfortable insisting on a higher quality discourse > here on behalf of myself and the many others who share this concern. I > think that good forum etiquette requires that people assume the best and > ask clarifying questions. As well, there are several very commonly used > phrases and rhetorical devices that can be deployed to make 'advice' feel > like advice instead of condemnation or scorn. > > C > > > > > On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 3:56 PM Greg Troxel <g...@lexort.com> wrote: > >> Courtney <courtney.william...@gmail.com> writes: >> >> > Can I ask--what is the fundamental objection to us trying to learn a bit >> > more about OSM communication habits? >> >> I think you are misinterpreting. I detected no objection to trying to >> learn. I only see objection to proprietary tools and pushing users to >> surveillance. >> > > > -- > > --Courtney Cook Williamson > survivalbybook.substack.com > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >
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