Dear all
Getting back to my original discussion 3 years ago (see attached), I
have now completed a script and created an according wiki page for my
first intended automated edit:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/StopConsuming_StartProducing#First_documented_mechanical_edit_of_Titsa_bus_stops
I would first like to execute a simple update of 45 nodes on OSM. Later
there will be another smaller automated edit, which I will also discuss
first.
If these two (or three) runs are successful, I would like to execute the
final and large automated edit to update all Titsa bus stops on Tenerife
with their according time table link, so people can see upcoming buses
for each bus stop from their according OSM navigation app.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Best, Klaus
Le 24/03/2023 à 22:29,
[email protected] a écrit :
See below ...
On 24/03/2023 21:33, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote:
Mar 24, 2023, 20:40 by [email protected]:
What do you think about this idea? What would be the best way
to achieve this in an automated way?
If these urls are following a fixed scheme like you mentioned
then I see no need to add the urls. There is no need to store
them if you can create them from a combination of the hard coded
Well, as template for links is not present then it is not a good
reason against it.
I would be more concerned whether links will be stable or change
format soon.
I also don't quite understand the reasoning against such a generic web
link. The only way to obtain that link would be through the QR code at
the bus stop, which is an obstacle. Not even the website actually has
this information on a separate page, but only through a popup clicking
onto the station. And I think it would greatly improve the usefulness
of the bus stop nodes in the map. Same is true for the bus line links.
Why search through the Titsa website to gain this information when it
can readily be associated with the node. If I click onto a restaurant
or hotel and get their website, that's not different, is it? I
wouldn't go though Google to find such information.
It requires knowledge how databases work in general, why
normalization & abstraction is important and at last you need to
be developer.
OSM map database is not normalized (at least as far as tags are
concerned)
is actually a good thing as it an obstacle to not make it too
easy for "children" (in double quotes for reasons) and protects
us from edit spaming.
this really could be phrased better without making it insulting
and it does not really protect as strongly, though maybe it could be
worse
This is the reason why I currently abstain from writing a python3
script to make it easier to write editing bots.
This scripts exist already, and were written multiple times already
one more would not change much
@Mateusz: Any help regarding the script would be greatly appreciated.
I have worked with databases before (PostgreSQL, MySQL, SAS) and am
aware of the pitfalls.
Best, Klaus
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Hi there
I would like to update all bus stops on the island of Tenerife with a
link to the status website of upcoming connections to this bus stop:
* An example of bus stop: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1147359056
* Each such bus stop inhibits a reference: ref=4004
* This reference can be used to obtain that bus stops upcoming
connections: http://movil.titsa.com/infoparada.php?IdParada=4004
* Actually, in reality each bus stop has a QR code to check this
status, which leads to the latter website.
* Hence, all these QR codes are spread across the island, I assume the
link will seldomly change.
* There is also an Ajax link:
https://titsa.com/ajax/xGetInfoParada.php?id_parada=4004 (But thats
directly from the website and probably not that stable as the former
one).
I think, this link would be good to have with each bus stop for Tenerife
on OSM, so one can easily derive the upcoming departure times, even when
not being nearby the bus stop.
Furthermore each bus line on the island has a timetable available
online, that I would like to link for each bus line:
* An example bus line: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7165110
* Each such bis line inhibits a reference code: ref=419
* This reference can be used to obtain that bus lines timestable and
overview website:
https://titsa.com/index.php/tus-guaguas/lineas-y-horarios/linea-419
* An alternative link is this:
https://movil.titsa.com/infolinea.php?IdLinea=021 (But I guess, it
is less useful and does not immediately display the general times.)
Also these links would be good to have with each bus line.
What do you think about this idea? What would be the best way to achieve
this in an automated way?
I know the Overpass API and I could probably readily identify all the
relevant bus stop nodes and bus line relations. However, I have never
updated such things in an automated way.
Many thanks
Klaus
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