On Oct 12, 2011, at 4:14 PM, Markus Pilman wrote:

> Without academics there wouldn't be computer science.

True, but to be fair, shouldn't we declare it a team effort? In the '50's, 
computer science did not exist officially at the science-intensive institution 
of MIT--academics in the math department warned people to stay away from 
computers--most people considered the thought that computers themselves could 
actually be a field of study to be ridiculous. The unofficial slogan of the 
math department was, "There's no such thing as Computer Science--it's 
witchcraft." Without Kotok, Gosper, Samson, Deutsch--non-academic 
hackers--McCarthy would not have formed the first CS course at MIT. The hackers 
weren't PhDs, but they shared motivations with the academics: To advance the 
field in order to make contributions to humanity. I've been reading Steven 
Levy's "Hackers"….
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