So you assume that just because it doesn't cost anything that it's
automatically dodgy?

And people wonder why I get annoyed about people jumping to conclusions and
not thinking outside the box.  Is it any wonder one wonders twice about
whether it's worth their time on here?

_______________________________________
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Kind Regards and Best Wishes,

Hussein.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:talks-
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Kit
> Sent: 20 September 2010 08:47
> To: Talks Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Talks] ovi maps for nokia n82
> 
> Hi Scot,
> 
> If you want to use OVI on N82, you need to pay if you purchase through
> Nokia.  So, when you get it for free just cause people do modification to
the
> file, what do you call that then?  Crack or Hack, which ever way you want
to
> define it.
> 
> I am not trying to be a moderator. I just merely bring up this cause they
> claim that this is a legal copy.
> 
> Regards,
> KITT.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Learned" <[email protected]>
> To: "Talks Mailing List" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [Talks] ovi maps for nokia n82
> 
> 
> A Moderator now are we?
> 
> There is quite a big difference between hacked and cracked. Google it.
> 
> Scott
> 
> "Coffee, the finest organic suspension ever devised."
> Captain Kathryn Janeway
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kit" <[email protected]>
> To: "Talks Mailing List" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 7:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Talks] ovi maps for nokia n82
> 
> 
>     I would say that this is a hacked copy and further discussion should
not
> be
> allowed.  Legal free copies of OVI maps is only for those models of phones
> which are mentioned in the Nokia Maps site.  Send email to those
> interested
> privately.
> 
> Regards,
> KITT.----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christopher Chaltain" <[email protected]>
> To: "'Talks Mailing List'" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [Talks] ovi maps for nokia n82
> 
> 
> Hussein,
> 
> I don't recall the incident you're talking about, but I find on/off topic
> discussions pretty tame on this list. Although this is technically off
> topic, I would assume the moderators would allow some leeway here
> (They're a
> pretty lenient bunch in general anyway.), since we have so few accessible
> GPS options on the Series 60 phones. Of course, if it's illegal in anyway,
> which you're saying it isn't, then there's no tolerance for that.
> 
> 
> --
> Christopher
> [email protected]
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:talks-
> [email protected]] On
> Behalf Of Sabaruddin Isa
> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 5:52 PM
> To: Talks Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Talks] ovi maps for nokia n82
> 
> Hussein, kindly also help me with my N82  please.
> 
> On 9/20/10, Hussein Patwa <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Sure, I'll write to you off-list.  Whereas the solution is in no way
> > illegal, it is way off topic in respect to Talks so I don't want to be
run
> > out of town on a rail for discussing it here.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > _______________________________________
> > Have a pleasant day,
> >
> > Kind Regards and Best Wishes,
> >
> > Hussein.
> >
> > Hussein Patwa
> > Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK)
> > Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954  (SIP)
> > Twitter: www.twitter.com/hussein_patwa
> > Skype: patwaspotterfan2
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> > Web: www.patwanet.co.uk
> > My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com
> >
> > Find me on Facebook:
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> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [email protected] [mailto:talks-
> >> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Elliott Barnes
> >> Sent: 19 September 2010 20:33
> >> To: Talks Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [Talks] ovi maps for nokia n82
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> Can you please explain how one would go about this?
> >> I've tried Googling, but can't find a working solution.
> >> Cheers.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Hussein Patwa" <[email protected]>
> >> To: "'Talks Mailing List'" <[email protected]>
> >> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 20:14:37 +0100
> >> Subject: Re: [Talks] ovi maps for nokia n82
> >>
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > Whereas this is technically correct, many people are using Ovi Maps
> 3.03
> >> for
> >> > free on the N82.
> >> >
> >> > Let me just say that just because Nokia says it can't be done,
doesn't
> >> > actually mean it can't be done.  I won't say any more, as the last
time
> > I
> >> > tried to help in this regard I seem to recall it all got rather
heated
> > and
> >> > blown out of all proportion.
> >> >
> >> > Just to say it took me 3 minutes with bing to find how to do it, and
> >> another
> >> > 3 to verify that it wasn't just someone pulling a fast one.
> >> >
> >> > HTH.
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________
> >> > Have a pleasant day,
> >> >
> >> > Kind Regards and Best Wishes,
> >> >
> >> > Hussein.
> >> >
> >> > Hussein Patwa
> >> > Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK)
> >> > Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954  (SIP)
> >> > Twitter: www.twitter.com/hussein_patwa
> >> > Skype: patwaspotterfan2
> >> > GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter
> >> > Web: www.patwanet.co.uk
> >> > My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com
> >> >
> >> > Find me on Facebook:
> >> http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486
> >> >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: [email protected] [mailto:talks-
> >> > > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Stephen Giggar
> >> > > Sent: 18 September 2010 23:19
> >> > > To: Talks Mailing List
> >> > > Subject: Re: [Talks] ovi maps for nokia n82
> >> > >
> >> > > This isn't for the free one that I know of. This is for 3.01 and
not
> >> 3.03
> >> > or
> >> > > 3.04 which are the free ones. The later firmware for the N82 comes
> > with
> >> > 3.01
> >> > > already built into it I think. So if you are looking for the free
OVI
> >> > maps,
> >> > > this isn't it and like I said will not work on the N82, N95*
models,
> I
> >> can
> >> > > see this is the case for other Symbian 9.2 phones and also will not
> > work
> >> > on
> >> > > Symbian 9.1 phones either. So if you ahve the N82 and you are
> wanting
> >> the
> >> > > FREE OVI maps on the N82 you are out of luck as far as I can tell.
> >> > >
> >> > > Signed: Stephen Giggar
> >> > > Skype: dr-phone.
> >> > >
> >> > > Hardware eventually fails, software eventually works.
> >> > > No amount of bandwidth can fix poor design.
> >> > >
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: "Edward" <[email protected]>
> >> > > To: "'Talks Mailing List'" <[email protected]>
> >> > > Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 4:36 PM
> >> > > Subject: Re: [Talks] ovi maps for nokia n82
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > Hello,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I followed the link that Hussein Patwa posted yesterday, it is
very
> >> > > > drastic,
> >> > > > and this is for only OVI 3.0.  The thread pertains to Nokia N82.
I
> >> > would
> >> > > > advise anyone who wishes to perform these tasks, to proceed at
> there
> >> > > own
> >> > > > risk.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The following is taken from:
> >> > > > http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Maps-Navigation-and-
> >> > > GPS/Cannot-instal
> >> > > > l-Ovi-Maps-3-0-on-N82/m-p/565145
> >> > > >
> >> > > > It's a common problem with several Nokia S60 devices when
> updating
> >> > > native
> >> > > > Nokia Maps
> >> > > > built-into the native firmware to Ovi Maps 3.
> >> > > > Here's the only procedure to make it work:
> >> > > > 1. First of all, use a File manager to delete the folder called
> > cities
> >> > > > from
> >> > > > your
> >> > > > memory card root; also delete the file named qf found in root.
> >> > > > 2. Perform a full backup on internal phone memory using
> >> Backup/Restore
> >> > > > module from
> >> > > > Nokia PC Suite.
> >> > > > 3. Perform a hard reset on the device using the well-known
method:
> >> while
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > device
> >> > > > is turned off, press and hold these 3 keys: green (call), *
> > (asterisk)
> >> > and
> >> > > > 3
> >> > > > (three)
> >> > > > and power on the device. Do not release these 3 keys until the
> >> animated
> >> > > > logo
> >> > > > (hands)
> >> > > > is shown.
> >> > > > 4. Now you need to launch the Nokia Maps application, then after
it
> >> > loads
> >> > > > completely
> >> > > > you can exit from the app; by doing this, cities folder and qf
file
> >> will
> >> > > > be
> >> > > > restored
> >> > > > on memory card' root.
> >> > > > 4. Now install/update your device with the latest Maps
application
> >> using
> >> > > > Setup_Nokia_Maps_Updater_1.0.10.exe
> >> > > > or using the *.sis package already owned by you.
> >> > > > 5. Also you may want to install you favourite country maps and
> > voices
> >> > for
> >> > > > guidance
> >> > > > using Nokia Map Loader.
> >> > > > 6. Restore your data from the prevoius backup file using Nokia PC
> >> Suite.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Edward
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:talks-
> >> > > [email protected]]
> >> > > > On
> >> > > > Behalf Of Ketan Kothari
> >> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 10:10 AM
> >> > > > To: Talks Mailing List
> >> > > > Subject: Re: [Talks] ovi maps for nokia n82
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hi Hussain,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I got an error message when I tried opening the link.  Please
help.
> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > From: "Hussein Patwa" <[email protected]>
> >> > > > To: "'Talks Mailing List'" <[email protected]>
> >> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 6:09 PM
> >> > > > Subject: Re: [Talks] ovi maps for nokia n82
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> Hi,
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> V3 can be installed, as detailed here:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > > http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Maps-Navigation-and-
> >> > > GPS/Cannot-instal
> >> > > >> l-Ovi-Maps-3-0-on-N82/m-p/565145
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> HTH.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> _______________________________________
> >> > > >> Have a pleasant day,
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Kind Regards and Best Wishes,
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Hussein.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Hussein Patwa
> >> > > >> Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK)
> >> > > >> Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954  (SIP)
> >> > > >> Twitter: www.twitter.com/hussein_patwa
> >> > > >> Skype: patwaspotterfan2
> >> > > >> GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter
> >> > > >> Web: www.patwanet.co.uk
> >> > > >> My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Find me on Facebook:
> >> > > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> > > >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:talks-
> >> > > >>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Stephen Giggar
> >> > > >>> Sent: 18 September 2010 11:16
> >> > > >>> To: Talks Mailing List
> >> > > >>> Subject: Re: [Talks] ovi maps for nokia n82
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Nope OVI mass isn't available for the n82 or other Symbian 9.2
> >> > devices.
> >> > > >>> So
> >> > > >>> the 3.3 version will not work. The n79 is a 9.3 device.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Produced on a Nokia N95 smart phone using a Symbian based
> screen
> >> > > reader.
> >> > > >>> Signed by: Stephen Giggar
> >> > > >>> Skype: dr-phone.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Hardware eventually fails, software eventually works
> >> > > >>> No amount of bandwidth can fix poor design
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> -original message-
> >> > > >>> Subject: Re: [Talks] ovi maps for nokia n82
> >> > > >>> From: "Hussein Patwa" <[email protected]>
> >> > > >>> Date: 18/09/2010 4:55 AM
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Hi Fanus,
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> V3.4 has a bug in that it won't start on my N86.  This is
> > apparently
> >> > > >>> something Nokia are well aware of and are working on.  V3.3
> works
> >> fine
> >> > > >>> though, so should also work on your N82.  V3.6 is currently
only
> >> > > >>> available
> >> > > >>> for touch screen devices.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> I'll have a look around, but you might also try the Nokia Beta
> > Labs
> >> > > >>> site.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> HTH.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> _______________________________________
> >> > > >>> Have a pleasant day,
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Kind Regards and Best Wishes,
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Hussein.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Hussein Patwa
> >> > > >>> Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK)
> >> > > >>> Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954  (SIP)
> >> > > >>> Twitter: www.twitter.com/hussein_patwa
> >> > > >>> Skype: patwaspotterfan2
> >> > > >>> GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter
> >> > > >>> Web: www.patwanet.co.uk
> >> > > >>> My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Find me on Facebook:
> >> > > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > >>> > From: [email protected] [mailto:talks-
> >> > > >>> > [email protected]] On Behalf Of fanus
> >> > > >>> > Sent: 18 September 2010 10:00
> >> > > >>> > To: Talks Mailing List
> >> > > >>> > Subject: Re: [Talks] ovi maps for nokia n82
> >> > > >>> >
> >> > > >>> > Hello Hussein
> >> > > >>> > Someone told me that the latest version of ovi does not work
> >> > > >>> > on the n82 but that version 3.01 will work. I tried to
> >> > > >>> > google for that version to download but I cannot find a
> >> > > >>> > site. Do you perhaps know the url?
> >> > > >>> > Regards
> >> > > >>> > Fanus
> >> > > >>> >
> >> > > >>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > >>> > From: "Hussein Patwa" <[email protected]>
> >> > > >>> > To: "'Talks Mailing List'" <[email protected]>
> >> > > >>> > Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 1:00 AM
> >> > > >>> > Subject: Re: [Talks] ovi maps for nokia n82
> >> > > >>> >
> >> > > >>> >
> >> > > >>> > Haven't used it with the N82, but maybe I can help as I now
> >> > > >>> > swear by it with
> >> > > >>> > the N86 and use it all the time for foot navigation.  Is it
> >> > > >>> > an app specific
> >> > > >>> > or a phone specific problem?  If the former I may be able to
> >> > > >>> > help.
> >> > > >>> >
> >> > > >>> > HTH.
> >> > > >>> >
> >> > > >>> > _______________________________________
> >> > > >>> > Have a pleasant day,
> >> > > >>> >
> >> > > >>> > Kind Regards and Best Wishes,
> >> > > >>> >
> >> > > >>> > Hussein.
> >> > > >>> >
> >> > > >>> > Hussein Patwa
> >> > > >>> > Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK)
> >> > > >>> > Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954  (SIP)
> >> > > >>> > Twitter: www.twitter.com/hussein_patwa
> >> > > >>> > Skype: patwaspotterfan2
> >> > > >>> > GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter
> >> > > >>> > Web: www.patwanet.co.uk
> >> > > >>> > My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com
> >> > > >>> >
> >> > > >>> > Find me on Facebook:
> >> > > >>> > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486
> >> > > >>> >
> >> > > >>> >
> >> > > >>> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > >>> > > From: [email protected] [mailto:talks-
> >> > > >>> > > [email protected]] On Behalf Of fanus
> >> > > >>> > > Sent: 17 September 2010 13:33
> >> > > >>> > > To: Talks Mailing List
> >> > > >>> > > Subject: [Talks] ovi maps for nokia n82
> >> > > >>> > >
> >> > > >>> > > Hi Listers
> >> > > >>> > > Has anyone used some or other version of ovi maps with the
> >> > > >>> > > nokia N82?
> >> > > >>> > > Regards
> >> > > >>> > > Fanus
> >> > > >>> > >
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