Aside from everything else we should all also remember that Howard makes his
living giving presentations / training / etc for Tapestry and that asking
for some contribution in this form from him might be asking a little too
much. (I make a living doing this now too, though the majority of work is
focused around dojo. )

That shouldn't stop people from developing and sharing content with each
other by any means though :)

On 5/2/06, Brian K. Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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I see this sentiment a lot and (for once - on this topic) would like to
express my opinion.

I love the project that Howard started - and that Howard devotes (and
has devoted over the years) to making Tapestry what it is today. I also
acknowledge that having something written/taught/etc by "the creator" of
said thing has merit.

I do not, however, believe Tapestry now sits on Howard's shoulders
without which it would come crashing down (if I believed that, I'd look
at working on another project). I was actually amazed when Howard asked
recently if a 4.0.2 went out, but it felt good to know that while he's
off 'revolutionizing' in 5.0-land, we can actually keep it afloat and
progressing in our 3.x/4.x realm without him.

I'm not bashing anyone here - not Howard, not Tapestry - not even you,
Steve ;-) (Sorry, Mark - I view the 'party line' as just humor... if it
wasn't, then "not you, either Mark" :-)) Just saying that, in most ways,
I'd look more to Jesse for more input on 'current' (4.x) Tapestry, and
Howard for future (5.x) Tapestry - and then get the presentation
produced and circulated back to  get the "yep, that's what I said" nod
from the 'sources' (vs. the 'creator'). "Produced and circulated back?"
Definitely. Learn by documenting - and don't slow down the 'sources'
from moving forward (unless they just have extra time on their hands).

I'd say "My .02"... but I think inflation reduced its actual value long
ago...

[and if you in any way thought this was meant in any 'derogatory'
fashion, it wasn't. just thoughts on how to get things done without the
ever-present "howard?"]

Brian

Steve Motola wrote:
> It would be great if Howard himself produced something like this, but I
doubt he
> has the time.  Howard?
>
> Am I overstepping bounds in proposing this?  I am putting out feelers
for
> collaboration - projects that don't just involve code and are more
towards the
> marketing end of Tapestry that would be welcomed.  I was basically
expanding on
> the needs of James and Andreas that I too face.  We had to turn down a
proposed
> JUG meeting because of a project and work on Cognition and didn't have
the time
> to put something proper together - and got slammed for it.  It would
have been
> great to have some ready materials I could have used on the fly.
>
>
> Quoting Mark Stang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> Shouldn't Howard provide us with the "Party Line" ;-).
>>

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