Actually, I was half-serious about the party line. Having sat through Howards classes I know that he has developed some slides. Also, he is doing the NFJS and I am sure he isn't doing 5.0, though I am sure he will mention it. Howard has complete classes that he gives and I wouldn't want to take away his bread and butter by publishing them. Rather, I thought they would be an introduction to Tapestry. What I was suggesting is what I think Brian is proposing, which is a standardized starting point for a presentation. I could give a couple of JUG talks here in Denver/Boulder. So as Howard's acolytes:
ac·o·lyte Pronunciation (k-lt) n. 1. One who assists the celebrant in the performance of liturgical rites. 2. A devoted follower or attendant. I think we should all start off on the same foot. I am currently wedded to 3.x and am using it in a very non-standard way. So, I would be a bit reluctant to mis-inform people. regards, Mark -----Original Message----- From: Brian K. Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 5/2/2006 12:43 PM To: Tapestry development Subject: Re: Tapestry Presentations -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I see this sentiment a lot and (for once - on this topic) would like to express my opinion. I love the project that Howard started - and that Howard devotes (and has devoted over the years) to making Tapestry what it is today. I also acknowledge that having something written/taught/etc by "the creator" of said thing has merit. I do not, however, believe Tapestry now sits on Howard's shoulders without which it would come crashing down (if I believed that, I'd look at working on another project). I was actually amazed when Howard asked recently if a 4.0.2 went out, but it felt good to know that while he's off 'revolutionizing' in 5.0-land, we can actually keep it afloat and progressing in our 3.x/4.x realm without him. I'm not bashing anyone here - not Howard, not Tapestry - not even you, Steve ;-) (Sorry, Mark - I view the 'party line' as just humor... if it wasn't, then "not you, either Mark" :-)) Just saying that, in most ways, I'd look more to Jesse for more input on 'current' (4.x) Tapestry, and Howard for future (5.x) Tapestry - and then get the presentation produced and circulated back to get the "yep, that's what I said" nod from the 'sources' (vs. the 'creator'). "Produced and circulated back?" Definitely. Learn by documenting - and don't slow down the 'sources' from moving forward (unless they just have extra time on their hands). I'd say "My .02"... but I think inflation reduced its actual value long ago... [and if you in any way thought this was meant in any 'derogatory' fashion, it wasn't. just thoughts on how to get things done without the ever-present "howard?"] Brian Steve Motola wrote: > It would be great if Howard himself produced something like this, but I doubt > he > has the time. Howard? > > Am I overstepping bounds in proposing this? I am putting out feelers for > collaboration - projects that don't just involve code and are more towards the > marketing end of Tapestry that would be welcomed. I was basically expanding > on > the needs of James and Andreas that I too face. We had to turn down a > proposed > JUG meeting because of a project and work on Cognition and didn't have the > time > to put something proper together - and got slammed for it. It would have been > great to have some ready materials I could have used on the fly. > > > Quoting Mark Stang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Shouldn't Howard provide us with the "Party Line" ;-). >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEV6haaCoPKRow/gARAq9VAJ0SYs0lSOtDIozF2tGqwQDgK7vYYACg2Dg8 BOJo6cjOi5aQ8lAGhBe66z0= =fNsM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
