I should point out that another alternative to EOF is Hibernate. It's very 
roughly similar to TopLink in its scope and it seems to be of fairly high 
quality.


>From: Andrus Adamchik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [Tapestry-developer] Re: WebObjects -> Tapestry
>Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 20:44:21 -0400
>
>
>At 09:38 PM 10/9/2002 +0200, Magic Hat wrote:
>>>I think many people are looking for a top-to-bottom WO like solution.
>>>So
>>>far the combination of technologies I've been playing with has been a 
>>>close
>>>match (eclipse/ant/tapestry/cayenne).
>>
>>I see. That's what several other people are experimenting with.
>>
>>I'm still not quiet sure about which way to go: simply rewrite the all 
>>damn thing (EOF/WOF) or try to get along with cayenne/tapestry.
>
>Hi everybody,
>
>This kind of touches the topic I am really concerned about. With WebObjects 
>loosing market at an increasing speed (is it even there outside of Mac 
>platform nowadays?), it is important to be able to offer your 
>customers/employers a solution that has some competitive advantage over the 
>braindead mainstream, and at the same time would have enough of the 
>"standard" buzzwords in it (excluding the most evil like EJB). Such 
>solution should be:
>
>- at least as elegant and easy to use as WebObjects (I guess for the power 
>users)
>- at least as powerful
>- frontend without scripting in HTML
>- backend without writing SQL.
>- integration between frontend and backend shouldn't require a whole lots 
>of time
>- having GUI tools for faster development is big plus
>
>
>Originally I had high hopes for Jakarta projects. This was about a year 
>ago. I kind of figured that none of them had the O/R good enough to match 
>EOF, so I envisioned Cayenne would take this place. But at least frontend 
>looked promising. It turned out to be a big disappointment. None of the 
>"MVC" frameworks offered even 30% of what I needed. Some of them, well... 
>it is easier to use straight JSP.
>
>Now it looks like with Cayenne/Tapestry combo this goal can be achieved. 
>The components are there.
>
>I guess the ultimate step would be closer integration of all the relevant 
>frameworks/Eclipse plugins/GUI Tools into a single consistent distribution 
>with a single set of documentation and some kind of common philosophy. I am 
>not talking about merging individual projects into a single monster of 
>course, but rather having an independent project with a sole goal of 
>integrating the best components into a kind of a "platform".
>
>I know this is too far fetched, and the effort itself could be harder than 
>building each of the individual components. But I guess it will be a more 
>practical solution than reverse-engineering WebObjects. (Rewriting 
>WebObjects can be lots of fun of course ;-))
>
>Sorry if this is too much offtopic.
>
>
>Andrus Adamchik
>http://objectstyle.org/cayenne/
>
>
>
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