Yes, I haven't disabled caching.

In our tests, we have seen tapestry doing pretty well if client is on
same network as server. 

We start to see the perf issue when:
1. clients are on a separate network than the server, and in such cases;
tapestry/tomcat log indeed says that it is taking as much time.
2. Each time you start a new browser instance to access your page( the
page has been accessed earlier from different clients, so initialization
time from the backend/server perspective is not a factor).

I don't seem to find any explanation for it: why tapestry's response
time is dependent on where the client is located, and if the page is
being requested from the browser instance for the first time?

Btw, as I mentioned in the original post, we are still using tapestry
3.0 beta 4 version. 

Thanks,
Manoj

-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Greene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 1:25 AM
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: Performance problem : simple tapestry page takes long time
to show up

I have seen this discussion on and off over the last year and each time
someone almost always asks this question, it may seem obvious, but it
must
be asked none the less :-)

Are you sure that you have not disabled caching within tapestry with
the -Dorg.apache.tapestry.disable-caching command line option?

I am currently profiling Tapestry 4.0 Beta 5 and have come up with this
interesting bit of information:

On the initial page request, it takes 72 seconds (because of profiling
overhead, normally 9 secs, after loaded responses are about 1sec). Of
those 72 seconds, 22-25 seconds of it is one method call:
java.util.Locale.getAvailableLocales(), which is totally outside the
scope
of Tapestry, but the call may be removable.  I am testing that now.  The
second biggest CPU hog is SpecificationSource.getApplicationNameSpace,
at 1
second average time and   ElementsProxyList.size at 3.8 seconds Base
Time
(less than 0.09sec average time).

On subsequent calls Tapestry took only 1.89sec cummulative time with the
profiler active and given the formula of 72sec vs 9sec, that would
normally
be 0.23secs per request without profiler load.  And that request renders
two velocity macros via hivemind services, and construct a Rich Text
Editor
from 4 different script files requiring a processing 30Kb of script with
50 string replacements and 30 asset lookups after submitting the text
that 
had
been edited in the Rich Text Editor.  So it better than a "Hello World"
test 
and
shows just how fast Tapestry 4.0 can be, even when under the load of a 
profiler :-)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Manoj Prakash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 8:28 AM
Subject: Performance problem : simple tapestry page takes long time to
show
up


> We have been using tapestry for over 1.5 years now for our app and
> recently we
> have started performance testing of this app. There are some
interesting
> observations.
>
> Background/Environment:
> Server : P4 2.8 GHz,1 GB RAM, Windows xp, Tomcat 4.1.30, Tapestry 3.0
beta
> 4.
> Clients : P4 XP/Win2k machines with 512 MB RAM, accessing the server
from
> different network.
>
> App: The first page of the app is a simplest login page, the html
template
> is
> mostly static - has html form, refers a .css file, few images and
input
> validation script( using tapestry's support for validation). We create
a
> session ( by calling getVisit() ) on the login page itself before it
is
> rendered.
>
>
> Problem:
> One a new browser instance, this login page takes consistently 18 to
20
> seconds to show up. Tomcat access log shows that it is taking upto 5
> seconds
> to process the login page request, another 5 seconds to process the
> request
> for validator.js, and almost negligible time to process the get
requests
> for
> images and .css file. We are wondering why tomcat/tapestry is taking 5
> seconds
> to process the Get request for such a simple page.
>
> To rule out the network and tomcat, and other factors for this
> performance, we
> added a similar static html file, and a similar .jsp file in our
webapp,
> and
> both show up within 3-4 seconds. Tomcat log in those cases show that
it
> took
> only milliseconds to process the get request for .html and .jsp file.
>
> Any idea why this could be happening ? Is tapestry doing some heavy
> initialization work when a session is created? ( View source of the
page
> in
> browser has 0 millisecond at the bottom as the render time).
>
> Thanks,
> Manoj
>
>
>
>
>
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