http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=36654#185568
That IMO says exactly (although indirectly) what does not work and why TSS cannot tell directly what the problem is. --- Benjamin Tomasini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It *could* get really ugly. But from the tone of > the discussions, it > looks like the TSS folks are taking a very balanced > and honest approach. > > There was one ad hominem post that just listed the > "culprits" without > any kind of logical support. Joseph seemed to take > care of that well. > > The best way to answer any unfounded blame is to ask > for meaningful data > behind any presented analysis. If TSS keeps this > up, I think the > Tapestry community, and the Java community as a > whole will be served > well. I still have faith that the OSS community is > a mertiocracy, and > that over the long run, merit wins out over > marketing and FUD. > > We'll see. > > I did try to post something like this on TSS, but I > couldn't login. :) > > Ben > > Geoff Longman wrote: > > >I understand. It's just that nobody is standing up > for Tapestry and > >you are the only one with enough information to do > that without > >sounding like an idiot. > > > >I realize there's a fine line to tread to avoid > things degenerating > >into fingerpointing. But the way I see it, the > longer TechTarget is > >in trouble the more likely it is that they will > start looking for > >scapegoats. I'm sure the people in there are > working hard to solve the > >problems. But what if another 3 weeks go by without > improvement? I > >would expect at that point the insiders will go > into "save my butt" > >mode and shift blame to anything and everything > they can to save thier > >jobs. > > > >I could get really ugly. > > > >Geoff > > > >On 9/23/05, Howard Lewis Ship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > >>These posts about TSS are troubling. > >> > >>The basic issue is that I signed on with The > Middleware Company to do > >>a number of phases of development of > TheServerSide.com. The first > >>phase was the basic translation of the site to a > component object > >>model, leaving all the functionality unchanged. > >> > >>At the same time this was occuring, a seperate > team was converting the > >>backend access from entity EJBs to Solarmetric > Kodo. > >> > >>In the end, I had less than a week to integrate > the two before going > >>live. And yet, for the most part, the result was > quite succesful. > >> > >>However, with the acquisition of The Middleware > Company by Tech > >>Target, my involvement with TSS came to an end; > the later, more > >>interesting phases, where we simplified the stack > and built > >>considerable UI improvements, has not come to > pass. All I've seen is > >>the introduction of more and more ads on the site. > >> > >>I can't talk to the root problem today; I don't > know it ... I do know > >>that Tapestry is doing exactly what its supposed > to be doing, that the > >>functionality problems (missing posts and such) > are a problem at the > >>application layer (the stateless session bean used > to manage > >>transactions) and the interaction between that > layer, Kodo, Coherence, > >>WebLogic and the database. In fact, given the > simplicity of the > >>database schema (just six or eight tables) I > suspect the problem > >>really is in the configuration and integration of > these elements. > >> > >>Based on what I've read, and some high level > discussions I had with > >>them last winter, I believe TechTarget is building > a single enterprise > >>wide solution for all their many web sites., > migrating away from the > >>Tcl-based Vignette solution used by the majority > of their sites, as > >>well as the Tapestry-based solution for TSS.com > and TSS.net. All I > >>know about the solution is that it will be based > on JEE (assuming that > >>hasn't changed since our discussions). > >> > >> > >> > >>On 9/22/05, Matt Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> > >> > >>>http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=36654 > >>> > >>>In the above referenced thread there is a > reference to the TSS having some > >>>serious issues with the perfromance and UI of > their site and that they will > >>>soon be moving to an all new codebase. Wasn't it > pretty recently that TSS > >>>relaunched using Tapestry? Are they having > problems with it? I'd be curious > >>>to find out as I'm considering using Tapestry on > a large scale product in > >>>the not to distant future and wouldn't want to > come up against the same > >>>problems. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>-- > >>Howard M. 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