Hi Nick,

thanks for your answer!

oooooh noooo... *sigh*

Yesterday I thought I could finally decide which combination of frameworks
I should use/which combination is the best (perhaps at least for me)
but you're right: I also thought why to use another framework (Spring)
if Hivemind seems to be a replacement and is already needed by tapestry...
I didn't (and still don't) know how they differ but if you say that
you don't miss a thing...

Well, I think perhaps I will change my decision another time.
Would you mind provide some sample code (especially the setup and
different xml files)? That would be great!

Sincerly,
  Andreas

On 20. Feb 2006 - 23:38:32, Nick Faiz wrote:
| Andreas,
| 
| Thanks for your response.
| 
| 
| On 20/02/2006, at 11:19 PM, Andreas Bulling wrote:
| >
| >unfortunately I can't tell you any experiences but one question comes
| >to my mind: Do the HiveUtils offer something similar to the  
| >HibernateTemplates
| >in Spring?
| 
| No, but I've never really relied on Hibernate templates except as a  
| convenience. I think you're referring to DAOs extending the  
| HibernateDaoSupport class, which supports getTemplate().saveOrUpdate 
| (foo) or something like that?
| 
| Right now, our DAOs are just injecting the session from the Hive and  
| using it directly, according to the open session in view pattern[1].  
| I could write a convenience super-class, like HibernateDaoSupport, if  
| one doesnt exist, if I run into the need for it.
| 
| >That was the main reason for me to use Spring but perhaps
| >Hivemind is even better (because you don't have the Spring dependancy
| >anymore as hivemind is needed for tapestry anyway)?
| 
| Hrm ... I'm probably missing the compelling reason to use the Spring  
| idea of Hibernate templates. The best I like most is the declarative  
| transactions in the config. - both frameworks support that for  
| Hibernate. On the other hand, my first instinct would be to avoid the  
| complexity of having Spring *and* Hivemind *and* Tapestry.
| 
| I've only just begun learning it but Hivemind has been able to do  
| everything I've wanted from IoC so far; albeit the configuration is  
| very verbose compared to Spring's.
| 
| Cheers,
| Nick
| 
| [1] - http://hibernate.org/43.html

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