Hi Joe,

I believe the approach Michael is proposing is to look at existing APIs as a 
starting point; not only abstract APIs. The assumption is that someone who 
implemented/designed an API, thought that it would be worth to provide a 
configuration possibility to the higher layer. This assumption is more true for 
SCTP than for TCP because there are quite a few different TCP implementation 
that are grown over time. Quite often a new interface was only created because 
a new feature was added to TCP; and to be on the safe side we allow the user to 
turn it off again.

That’s the reason why I prefer the approach we are/I'm taking right now 
(analyzing components). I think we should still describe the abstract API of 
RFC793 (and we do) as well as the SCTP API of RFC4960 in this document, but I 
personally would not and will not spend too much time analyzing other API. 
However, everybody who has time and is interested in this can of course provide 
his/her outcome as input for this document and we will happily take it and 
compare it to what we have so far.

Mirja


> Am 17.06.2015 um 20:10 schrieb Joe Touch <[email protected]>:
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/17/2015 1:44 AM, Michael Welzl wrote:
>> I think that this discussion with Joe maybe suffered from focusing on
>> TCP. 
> 
> To be fair, TCP has a simpler abstract API.
> 
>> SCTP is perhaps a better starting point because it supports
>> almost everything. 
> 
> IMO, that makes it very hard as a starting point, and I also think that
> TCP's variant of an API description is much better as an example.
> 
> E.g., Section 10 of RFC4960 claims it defines an abstract API
> (ULP-to_SCTP), but it begins by describing a call to initialize a data
> structure (INITIALIZE). That's decidedly NOT an abstract API; it's a
> generic description of an implementation issue.
> 
> IMO, if we don't understand the difference between the API in RFC793 vs.
> that in RFC4960 (and why 793 is a better example), then this is going to
> be a very bumpy road.
> 
> Joe
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