Nelson, You raise a good point in the above post. After looking at this melody I see not one single A note, which is the defining factor of a C Dorian Minor scale. This makes the title a bit curious. Here are some C minor scales not only to bore but for reference. First the major for comparison.
C Major- C D E F G A B (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ) C Aeolian- C D Eb F G Ab Bb (1 2 3b 4 5 6b 7b) C Dorian- C D Eb F G A Bb (1 2 3b 4 5 6 7b) C Natural Harmonic C D Eb F G Ab B (1 2 3b 4 5 6b 7) I try not to think too analytically about this type of stuff because often the most interesting melodies do not adhere to "rules". Many do follow trends though. John On Oct 15, 6:45�pm, Linda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John, I find your ideas interesting, tried it out, it seemed to work > pretty well, then, I tried your ideas with changes: in the 2nd bar > using double stop Eb instead of F7, and I like the tater's �G Cm G in > bars 15 and 25. > I liked using double stops for the Eb chord where it appears, I used > I & III, then I & V. > > Then...just for interest, a mate of mine thinks - and I quote - > > "i am tempted to say that C min 7......COULD BE MAINTAINED �right > throughout the piece, because the tension caused by the occasional > clash simply emphasises the dorian tonality.....simplistic?....maybe, > but effective nevertheless...yeah....the accompaniment sustained and > all in a minimum crotchet (not real sure what a crotchet is!) rhythm, > done at high spots as an arpeggiando......" > I tried her idea and it seemed to work too, and then I tried using Cm > and Cm7 here and there and liked that as well. > I see first hand how the chords really can change the mood and feel of > a given tune. �We have a few options now, hey? > > Linda > > On Oct 15, 9:53 pm, taurodont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Howdy folks, > > > First time poster here(former lurker lured out of the shadows). �I've > > been listening real intently to Tater's mando pickin' for the last > > decade or so. �I don't do the online lessons but have caught his > > instructional skills at the last three Monroe camps. > > > Thought I might take a stab at a chord arrangement for this here > > Dorian Waltz. > > The chords change EVERY measure in my arrangement. > > > "A part-first time through" - �Cm �F7 �Gm �Bb �Cm �G7 �Gm > > > "A part-second time through" �Cm F7 Gm �Bb �Fm �G � G7 > > > "B part-starts at measure 11 on Tater's tab"- Cm �F7 �G7 �Eb �Gm �Cm > > G7 �Bb �G7 > > � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �Cm > > G7 �Eb �Gm �Cm �F7 �Bb �G7 �Cm > > > �Now whether this is a strictly Dorian tune could be debated, but who > > cares, it has a nice creepy melody and weaves inbetween several minor > > scales as is often the case. To find these chords I harmonized the C > > Dorian scale for the majority of them. �Where the melody strays from > > the parent scale I tried to find a chord that fit (had some of the > > melody notes in it). �Feed back would be appreciated. > > > Hey Perry, Did you remeber the Old Jericho Waltz? > > > Great Website, John > > > On Oct 14, 3:55 pm, Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Tater, > > > > Do you have the original ABC text handy or the gif that the ABC > > > translation tool created? I can't get to the large file from my > > > current location. > > > > I need some help, too. I've been looking at this, and the Bb > > > signature doesn't make sense to me. The C Dorian scale is a natrual > > > minor scale, making it the relative minor of Eb, not Bb. > > > > What I am missing? > > > > Thanks, > > > Nelson > > > > On Oct 13, 6:57 pm, mistertaterbug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Val, > > > > I got the tune off a list of tunes in ABC format. If you go to the > > > > link included, you'll notice it takes you to a website that has a > > > > sizeable collection of 'collections' of tunes from all over the world > > > > in ABC format. I think there is a list of ABC readers there for > > > > download as well. Here's the link; > > > > >http://www.walshaw.plus.com/abc/tunes.html > > > > > If you look down about halfway through the list of "large collections" > > > > you'll notice one by Richard Layton. I downloaded that file and split > > > > it into groups of 1000 tunes to make it more manageable. I think that > > > > the "???/C Dorian" tune is somewhere up between 4000 and 5000, though > > > > I've scanned 3000 through 5000 some odd and have not found it. But I > > > > know it was there. No really...<G> > > > > > Tater > > > > > On Oct 13, 6:51 am, Val Mindel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I wish I were closer. I'd love to see it if you do write out an > > > > > arrangement. In my thickness (I blame jetlag) when I posted I didn't > > > > > realize this was the what you were referring to. Good luck. I continue > > > > > to try to sort of ways to do the waltz but need to tackle the chords > > > > > before I can get much further. Tater, where did you get this? val > > > > > > On Oct 12, 8:12 pm, Linda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > I have been looking at it ..using the piano, I find it easier to try > > > > > > things that way as the melody and the chords can be tried all at > > > > > > once > > > > > > quite easily. The ideas are still forming. I would enjoy a chance to > > > > > > play C Dorian Waltz in ensemble, but would have to get Scottie to > > > > > > beam > > > > > > me ..to the location, Tasmania would be just too far, to ask folks > > > > > > to > > > > > > travel to. HA > > > > > > I would need a travel grant... > > > > > > I might be able to scare up some volunteers here for a Tassie > > > > > > effort, > > > > > > but there are no mandolas here that I know of. > > > > > > We could have regional play-off's ...though. Might take a while to > > > > > > organise. > > > > > > ljt > > > > > > > On Oct 13, 10:36 am, mistertaterbug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I might as well confess, I'm the one that threw this tune/quandry > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > Linda's lap. Val know's this one too. It's a tune I found in a > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > list of things on either Richard Robinson's site or the "Big > > > > > > > List" of > > > > > > > ABC tunes(about 15,000) and was listed simply as "??? > > > > > > > Waltz/CDorian". > > > > > > > The tune appears on the "Files" page. I threw a bunch of chords > > > > > > > at it > > > > > > > and overdid it something fierce, so just throw them all out and > > > > > > > start > > > > > > > from scratch...oh, and tell me what you come up with. <G> > > > > > > > > Also, we've been talking about how nice it would be to have this > > > > > > > tune > > > > > > > and a few others played with harmony parts for second mandolin, > > > > > > > mandola, cello, bass maybe. Any takers? > > > > > > > Tater > > > > > > > > On Oct 10, 12:03 am, Linda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi all, I have troubles finding the right chords to use for a > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > tune. So I start this thread for the selfish reason to see what > > > > > > > > other folks might know or do re chord selection. I think most > > > > > > > > folks > > > > > > > > do know about the 12/bar blues, the three chord trick, etc. > > > > > > > > > I gather, but am not sure, that if a tune is modal, it may be > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > chord rules will or could be changed for different effect?? > > > > > > > > Maybe in > > > > > > > > the old days there were some standard rules for this? > > > > > > > > > Some of you may understand or have something to share about > > > > > > > > what you > > > > > > > > do, how you do it or the theory behind your chord/double stop > > > > > > > > selections, and usage. > > > > > > > > > Deep, you seem to understand a lot of scales, maybe you have > > > > > > > > something > > > > > > > > to add? I gather dulcimer players come up against the modal > > > > > > > > issues, > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > My current question is, to find chords that work for a tune in > > > > > > > > Dorian > > > > > > > > Mode, would it be based mainly around a two note drone rather > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > three note chord, perhaps say, I & III, for two of the chords > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > perhaps I & V for the third chord or some other scheme?- Hide > > > > > > > > quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Taterbugmando" group. 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