Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.
On Tuesday, October 19, 1999, 7:25:41 AM, Ali wrote:
> Hi all,
> On Tuesday, October 19, 1999, 12:06:42 AM (-5 GMT), Keith scribbled:
>>> In the view folder window, I use Ctrl+arrows to move from message to
>>> message. Shift+Ctrl+arrow is supposed to delete the displayed message
>>> and move to the next. This is not working as it should. The shortcuts
>>> work in the reverse fashion.
>>> Shift+Ctrl+Up arrow is supposed to delete displayed message and move
>>> up to previous message. It does the opposite.
>>> Shift+Ctrl+Down arrow is supposed to delete displayed message and
>>> move down to next message. It does the opposite.
>> Similarly, the four icons on the right (excluding the trash can) don't
>> seem to work right, either. Two are Next/Previous; the other two are
>> Next/Previous with Deletion.
> They work quite predictably if you realize that the left arrow takes
> the place of the up arrow and right arrow takes the place of the down
> arrow.
Actually, they don't. See below....
>> In contrast to the keyboard shortcuts you mention, these don't seem to
>> work opposite to what you'd expect. In fact, I haven't been able to
>> figure out what they do do. (With time, I could probably figure it
>> out, but....)
> That sounds a bit contradictory. How are you going to tell whether or
> not they do the opposite of their intended purpose when you haven't
> been able to figure out what they do in the first place?
Good point 8-). What I was actually trying to say was this:
1. First of all, I was assuming that the red-arrow icons work the same
as the blue-arrow icons, except that the current message is deleted
for the red ones. I haven't confirmed this. The blue ones (comparable
to Ctrl+Up and Ctrl+Down) were the ones I was testing.
2. I understood you to be saying that "previous" moves down to the
next message and "next" moves up, rather than "previous" moving up and
"next" moving down, as expected.
3. What I observed was that the blue-arrow icons were NOT moving to
the next message, either up OR down.
> Anyway, it's really a mess of consistency.
> See if you can follow me:
> In the last set of toolbars, an thick, red up arrow was the toolbar
> shortcut to delete the displayed message and move up to the previous
> message. Now look at the keyboard shortcut to achieve the same task
> .... Shift+Ctrl+down arrow. The arrows are in the opposite
direction. > ^^^^^^^^^^ > Not very intuitive or
consistent is it. They've changed the arrow > directions for the
toolbar shortcuts now so at least they are no > longer poles apart. :)
(Damn auto-format got me again! Sorry.) Yes, I understood what you
were saying, but the versions that do NOT delete are not working that
way for me. Here's a specific example. Anyone who still has these
messages can test their results; you might not, if you're deleting....
I have my list sorted by Creation Time in Descending order. I have
three messages displaying in my list, as follows:
1. A message from Juan with subject "About idiot-proof software".
2. A message from Wolfgang with subject "Re: Site with links".
3. A message from Oliver with subject "Re[2]: Some questions about 1.36".
Now...I double click on the message from Wolfgang (to help you find
the right one, it is dated Oct. 13 at 12:48 and has Message-Id
[EMAIL PROTECTED]).
I would expect that if things are working intuitively, the
left-pointing icon would move me up to Juan's message, and the
right-pointing icon would move me down to Oliver's.
If they are working opposite, as you say, I would expect the
left-arrow to move down to Oliver's message and the right-arrow to
move up to Juan's.
In fact, this does NOT happen. If I click on the left-pointing arrow,
it moves me to a PGP-subject message by Oliver, two messages down in
the list. If I click on the right-pointing arrow, it moves me to
another PGP message by Peter, three messages up in the list.
In other words, not only do the arrows move me in an unexpected
direction, but they don't move me to an adjacent message!
So I decided to test the Ctrl-Arrow keys. Interestingly enough, I
found them to work exactly the same way. In the view window, either
the arrow icons OR the Ctrl-Arrow keys do NOT move me to an adjacent
message.
Interesting, though: If I run the same tests while viewing your
message, I AM actually moved to the adjacent message, but in a
counterintuitive direction, as you described. But this holds true for
Ctrl+Up and Ctrl+Down as well as the icons.
So...the direction of movement is always counter-intuitive, and
furthermore, sometimes I am moved to an adjacent message, sometimes
not.
I hope this makes sense. This is all hard to put into words.
> Look at the keyboard shortcuts alone for that matter:
> Follow previous .................. Ctrl+Up
> Delete and Follow previous ....... Shift+Ctrl+Down (instead of Shift+Ctrl+Up)
> Follow next ...................... Ctrl+Down
> Delete and Follow Next ........... Shift+Ctrl+Up (instead of Shift+Ctrl+Down)
> The whole thing had me confused and I even reported it as a bug but I
> see the shortcuts written in on the Navigation menu so it's clearly
> intended to be this way. I can't see the logic behind it though.
As I explained above, even Ctrl+Up and Ctrl+Down don't seem to move in
the expected direction. I just confirmed that "Follow Previous",
Ctrl+Up, and left-arrow icon all behave identically for me; so do
"Follow Next", Ctrl+Down, and right-arrow icon. In other words, the
menu descriptions are not accurate.
>> P.S. I apologize if this has already been discussed here--but is your
>> name Allie or Ali? 8-)
> Actually it's Allie but I find that Ali is less problematic on usenet
> and discussion lists since most who proceed to assume my sex upon
> seeing the name Allie, assumes the opposite of the truth, i.e., that
> I'm female. I can't say I blame them either since Allie is usually a
> shortened 'pet' version of a female name.:)
> The spelling Ali, I've had to grow up with since my name is always
> misspelled in this way. Ali is indisputably a male name. I therefore
> tend to use it to avoid the confusion which often comes to light
> surprisingly late with some of my internet acquaintances. This is my
> way of minimizing confusion. Nothing else intended.
So let me get this straight. You're saying you're male, right?
Sorry to burst your bubble, but one of my female coworkers calls herself Ali
(short for Alison)! Anyway, what does it matter? Allie or Ali, male or
female, you make important contributions to the list.
Now...my linguistic curiosity comes through. What is the source of
your name? (Feel free to reply privately if you think we're getting
off topic.)
Keith
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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