Hello, the Bat! list recipients,
Monday, January 17, 2000, Steve Lamb wrote to Oleg Zalyalov about
suggestion- / wish-list:
>> At least I have need in preview when killing mail. The preview in TB! is
>> based on the editor. Or should there be external message viewer also?
SL> It isn't based on the editor. It is the other way around. The preview is
SL> just a viewing object, no editing. It is like saying that ACDSee is based on
SL> Photoshop.
Really? They at least share the code for displaying message and cursor
movement and search. Only editing itself disabled while viewing
message.
>> Inserts a list of files attached to original message. I don't need it as a
>> part of my template which will be passed to an editor from TB! when editor
>> called, because I'll better forget to insert it than will have
>> 'Attachments:<none>' in every message. How to implement it with external
>> editor.
SL> Uhm, I don't get it. It will work since that is parsed before the message
SL> is passed to the external editor.
I don't want to have it in message template, because I will forget to
delete it always -- and I don't want to delete some text from every
message to be able to have it in about 2 or 3 messages a week.
So it is Quick Template which doing the task, the template which
available not before passing text to editor, but while editing. How to
do it with external editor?
>> Release Shift
>> Press Home (if we are speaking about selecting set of lines)
>> Hold Shift
>> Move the cursor to the desired first line.
>> What's the problem? Losing my current marked text? So what? Why to
>> bother?
SL> Losing the current marked text. Why bother? Ever try to remark 9 pages
SL> of text because of a missed line? You're also assuming that "home" takes to
SL> where I want, which it does not. In this one case...
SL> Release shift, PGUP 9 times, up arrow, SHIFT, PgDn 9 times, CNTL-C, move to
SL> place I want it, Shift-INS.
Release shift, pres left, press right, shift, PgUp 9 times, up, CNTL-C,
move.
SL> In joe:
SL> ^U 9 times, up arrow, ^K^B, move to where I want it, ^K^C.
SL> In vim:
SL> o, up arrow, y, move to where I want it, P.
SL> See the large difference there. In two words: Less Work.
>From the other hand in CUA I have to know by heart much less of
shortcuts -- it saves time for using rare functions (ok, basic marking
is not one, but in CUA i use same technique for line and stream
blocks).
Next, specific of mail editing for me means that I don't ever create
messages which require 9 PgUps to select a portion of it. On not so
big messages the difference is not so dramatic.
>> I think you will agree that there is no sence in calling external editor for
>> filling in any inputline in, say, account properties (and how about address
>> list?).
SL> No, but those don't require a lot of editing, do they?
Most of messages don't either.
>> You are talking about User Choice. OK, my choice -- current TB!'s internal
>> editor.
SL> And how does this change that?
I only ask you to let me have it. And not to remove it and not to
freeze it.
>> What we do with me now? I don't mean ideal philosophy, I mean my particular
>> case.
SL> You really don't want me to answer that.
Does that mean that you have to agree with me?
>> I prefer to have 5 specialized editors rather than one capable of doing 5
>> tasks. Because combined mixer and coffee grinder is bad mixer and bad coffee
>> grinder.
SL> *ROFL*
SL> Mail Client - Coffee Mixer
SL> Internal Editor - Coffee Grinder.
SL> Thank *YOU* for proving my point.
On the other hand:
Programmer's Editor -- Mixer
Mail Editor -- Grinder
Universal editor -- Combine
I prefer separate mixer and grinder while they are bloated with
implementation of the same electrical engine.
SL> I do. Because I have sat on phones patiently and politely telling
SL> people the right thing professional for years and it got me crap
SL> in return. I am flat out tired of being polite to people who
SL> aren't polite in return.
There is not a choice of being right and polite or rude and wrong. It
is a choice of being or not being polite to not polite people. It is
completely different problem.
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Best regards,
Oleg Zalyalov. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Using The Bat! version 1.38e
under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6
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