AM> On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:06:10 -0800, phil wrote:

>> Anyway

>> I say I am singled out.

>> If your going to moderate me then DO it to everyone else as well.
>> Or else get some faq's or something out to US!

AM>         You're not being singled out Phil.

AM> Anyway, RFC1855, speaks on netiquette guidelines. Here are some
AM> excerpts:

AM> Abstract

AM>    This document provides a minimum set of guidelines for Network
AM>    Etiquette (Netiquette) which organizations may take and adapt for
AM>    their own use.  As such, it is deliberately written in a bulleted
AM>    format to make adaptation easier and to make any particular item easy
AM>    (or easier) to find.  It also functions as a minimum set of
AM>    guidelines for individuals, both users and administrators.  This memo
AM>    is the product of the Responsible Use of the Network (RUN) Working
AM>    Group of the IETF.

AM> {...snip...}

AM> 3.1.1 General Guidelines for mailing lists and NetNews

AM>     - Read both mailing lists and newsgroups for one to two months before
AM>       you post anything.  This helps you to get an understanding of
AM>       the culture of the group.

AM>     - Do not blame the system administrator for the behavior of the
AM>       system users.

AM>     - Consider that a large audience will see your posts.
AM>       That may include your present or your next boss.  Take
AM>       care in what you write.  Remember too, that mailing lists and
AM>       Newsgroups are frequently archived, and that your words may be

AM>       stored for a very long time in a place to which many people have
AM>       access.

AM>     - Assume that individuals speak for themselves, and what they
AM>       say does not represent their organization (unless stated
AM>       explicitly).

AM>     - Remember that both mail and news take system resources.  Pay
AM>       attention to any specific rules covering their uses your
AM>       organization may have.

AM>     - Messages and articles should be brief and to the point.  Don't
AM>       wander off-topic, don't ramble and don't send mail or post
AM>       messages solely to point out other people's errors in typing
AM>       or spelling.  These, more than any other behavior, mark you
AM>       as an immature beginner.

AM>     - Subject lines should follow the conventions of the group.

AM>     - Forgeries and spoofing are not approved behavior.

AM>     - Advertising is welcomed on some lists and Newsgroups, and abhorred
AM>       on others!  This is another example of knowing your audience
AM>       before you post.  Unsolicited advertising which is completely
AM>       off-topic will most certainly guarantee that you get a lot of
AM>       hate mail.

AM>     - If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you
AM>       summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just
AM>       enough text of the original to give a context.  This will make
AM>       sure readers understand when they start to read your response.
AM>       Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the
AM>       postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a
AM>       response to a message before seeing the original.  Giving context
AM>       helps everyone.  But do not include the entire original!

AM>     - Again, be sure to have a signature which you attach to your
AM>       message.  This will guarantee that any peculiarities of mailers or
AM>       newsreaders which strip header information will not delete the
AM>       only reference in the message of how people may reach you.

AM>     - Be careful when you reply to messages or postings.  Frequently
AM>       replies are sent back to the address which originated the post -
AM>       which in many cases is the address of a list or group!  You may
AM>       accidentally send a personal response to a great many people,
AM>       embarrassing all involved.  It's best to type in the address
AM>       instead of relying on "reply."

AM>     - Delivery receipts, non-delivery notices, and vacation programs
AM>       are neither totally standardized nor totally reliable across the
AM>       range of systems connected to Internet mail.  They are invasive
AM>       when sent to mailing lists, and some people consider delivery
AM>       receipts an invasion of privacy.  In short, do not use them.

AM>      - If you find a personal message has gone to a list or group, send
AM>        an apology to the person and to the group.

AM>      - If you should find yourself in a disagreement with one person,
AM>        make your responses to each other via mail rather than continue to
AM>        send messages to the list or the group.  If you are debating a
AM>        point on which the group might have some interest, you may
AM>        summarize for them later.

AM>     - Don't get involved in flame wars.  Neither post nor respond
AM>       to incendiary material.

AM>     - Avoid sending messages or posting articles which are no more than
AM>       gratuitous replies to replies.

AM>     - Be careful with monospacing fonts and diagrams.  These will
AM>       display differently on different systems, and with different
AM>       mailers on the same system.

AM>     - There are Newsgroups and Mailing Lists which discuss topics
AM>       of  wide varieties of interests.  These represent a diversity of
AM>       lifestyles, religions, and cultures.  Posting articles or sending
AM>       messages to a group whose point of view is offensive to you
AM>       simply to tell them they are offensive is not acceptable.
AM>       Sexually and racially harassing messages may also have legal
AM>       implications.  There is software available to filter items
AM>       you might find objectionable.

AM> {...snip...}

AM>         There's a lot more where that came from. Follow those and you
AM> should be fine Phil. It took me a while to accept this but although
AM> you are a free man you have to follow a cultural code of conduct in
AM> your country or else you'll be frowned upon, chastised, shunned or
AM> whatever. The same applies to mailing lists or newsgroups. Although
AM> strictly speaking, you have freedom to do whatever you like, you are
AM> still a member of a group. I don't see what's so difficult about that.

AM>         The next thing is that no-one is *telling* you not to use the
AM> signature that *you* like. But there is one very logical issue here. I
AM> would assume that you include a signature for your readers to
AM> understand right and not simply for you to admire. If they don't
AM> understand it, then why include it? Frankly, if I were in your place,
AM> I'd thank the readership for indicating to me that my signature is
AM> coming across as unreadable gibberish because that's clearly not my
AM> intention. Is it yours?



-tom!

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