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Hi Mark,

On 13 August 2000 at 12:07:35 GMT +0100 (which was 12:07 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Replies arrive before originals (was:Re: Strange error message when sending)":

MRH> ... my assumption from examining headers in the past is that some
MRH> ISPs servers are overloaded on occasion and take a while to
MRH> distribute email.

Correct.

MRH> For interests sake - this message is sent from home (via my
MRH> server, the ISP relay and outwards...) so it'll be interesting to
MRH> see whether there are problems in timing with this message too?

MRH> Received: from ................ by silverstones.com [127.0.0.1]
MRH>         with DomainPOP (MDaemon.v3.5.0c.R)
MRH>         for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:22:08 +0100

That  took  ten  minutes  to  arrive ... but that's an issue of when I
picked up my domain mail from the relay server.

MRH> Received: from dutaint.com by .......................
MRH>         for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:12:27 +0700

This  is  some four minutes after it left the originating server ... I
am surprised it took that long!

MRH> Received: from bart.callnet0800.com by dutaint.com
MRH>         with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.5.0c.R)
MRH>         for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:08:07 +0700

Well,  someone's  clock is wrong! This went back in time by 17 seconds
:-).

MRH> Received: from smtp.callnet0800.com [212.67.128.145] by bart.callnet0800.com with 
ESMTP
MRH>   (SMTPD32-5.05) id A1FE5FEF0140; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:09:50 +0100

Two  minutes and twenty second after it was received (but I think that
bart.callnet0800.com has its' clock set slightly fast).

MRH> Received: from mango.callnet0800.com [212.67.144.19] by smtp.callnet0800.com
MRH>   (SMTPD32-5.05) id A17A1222021E; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:07:38 +0100

This transit took only two seconds.

MRH> Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1])
MRH>         by mango.callnet0800.com (MERAK 2.10.290) with ESMTP id FE65DCF0
MRH>         for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:07:36 +0100

And this one only one second from the time of creation.

MRH> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:07:35 +0100

In truth, time difference in seconds can't be really be relied upon. I
once  saw someone sneering at PC clock synchronizers on this list but,
IMHO,  such  things  are a necessity for clarity and to ensure that we
are  all  talking  the same language. I use one which runs on the main
comms  machine  here  on  my LAN and knows how to get the current real
time from a time server. It will do this at one minute intervals while
I  am  connected  to  an ISP and I dial out at least every 15 minutes.
This  software  also provides time server services for the LAN and all
other  machines  here  look  to  it  for an update at around 30 minute
intervals.  A  PC  clock  will  drift  by a few seconds every day. The
practices  I  observe here mean that no PC in the house is out by more
than  a  second  at any time (except in the case of prolonged dial-out
failure).

- --
Cheers,
.\\arck

Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer
Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA
www: http://www.silverstones.com
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