Hello Marck, Thomas & others on TBUDL following this thread,
The following was written on basis of Tuesday morning's (US CST)
posts.
I find an interesting contrast between Marck's and Tom's posts on
this theme. After bring this into focus, I'll leave the significance
of it (if any) for each to interpret as he or she sees fit.
As for myself, I understand the logic involved on both sides of the
issue and either way, I'm not likely to be affected to any great
degree, since any adjustment that's proves necessary will be made
without much wear and tear.
What follows is a bit of honest and accurate social commentary which
not all readers may find equally palatable.
Tuesday, January 16, 2001, Marck stated regarding Ming-Li's comment:
ML>> Fortunately this one isn't declared a DH yet, and hopefully there's
ML>> still time and space for me to jump in.
Ming-Li is practically asking for the moderator's (Marck's)
permission here to intervene, and that deference is rewarded by
Marck who bequeaths his clear blessing:
MDP> And your contribution is always welcome, especially since you
MDP> are addressing an issue which is on my mind right now.
Ming-Li expressed his doubts regarding the results of splitting
TBUDL into beginning and more advanced groups:
ML>> When it comes to posting, I don't know about you, but I'll be
ML>> in trouble. Where should I post? Is this too advanced
ML>> (tech-oriented) or not? Should TBUDL no longer discuss anything
ML>> about RegEx? Or Windows registry? ...
These doubts have been shared by others, but are neatly dispatched
thusly:
MDP> You're quite right. It will be a matter of definition to start
MDP> with. I will attempt to lay down some guidelines.
Here Marck makes it clear that HE will set whatever guidelines he
deems necessary, at his discretion.
I have referred to TBUDL as a model for other lists that lacked (and
needed) the mature moderation skills that Marck, Syafril and later
Allie have demonstrated. Every coins has 2 sides, however.
Tom OTOH, states:
T> If there will be a confusion in the beginning, I think it will sort
T> itself out.
This shows a very different interpretation of how the new order of
things will be established, and implies that the list itself will
somehow generate a state of equilibrium. (Spontaneous & Balanced Yin
Yang Generation vs The Ten Commandments).
T> Very much like threads are being moved over to TBOT when the
T> members feel it's getting OT, I believe we will develop a "feel"
T> for whne it becomes too techie.
Tom is a member of all three English lists plus all the German ones.
I OTOH, find TBUDL alone not quite pithy or focused enough at times.
In reference to the new German beginners list he reassures us:
T> Many newbies have expressed their gratitute on the list.
apparently they love it. The perfect place to be a newbie.
While Marck offers us a glimpse of the human side of the list
master:
MDP> Of this list of things, I will do what I can as well as I can
MDP> :-).
ML>> To a point, the discussion is out of my league and I give up on
ML>> it, unless it really concerns me. Thank God I'm not a moderator,
ML>> who has to read everything. ;-)
Once again, Ming-Li has demonstrated an agile mastery of the art of
deference.
MDP> Nevertheless, you are making a valuable contribution.
And once again is rewarded for doing so.
ML>> To some, RegEx itself is a techie topic; to others (Marck and
ML>> Januk sprint to mind), not even a multi-line RegEx appears
ML>> daunting.
MDP> Both Januk and I have agreed (off-list) that RegExp programming is a
MDP> techie subject, not for the faint-hearted. So that's one delineation
MDP> point that is quite clear.
ML>> ... Sometimes (let's hope it's not often) we'll have to spend
ML>> time arguing whether to move a discussion to TBTECH or vice
ML>> versa.
Here Ming-Li anticipates areas of possible confusion within the
group, but has ignored that these matters form part of the patrimony
enjoyed only by those privy to it. The rest of us need not occupy
ourselves with such responsibilities, as the following shows:
MDP> ... I don't think it will be a matter for argument. A moderator is
MDP> more likely to jump in with a "Please take this thread to TBTECH".
Now Ming-Li apologies for being candid:
ML>> That being said, let me reiterate that I believe the problems to
ML>> be addressed are real, and I'm sorry I have nothing but
ML>> skepticism to offer in this post. I wish I had something more
ML>> constructive to write,
MDP> Just by asking the questions and raising the issues you are bringing
MDP> to light ways of looking at things that may not have been obvious. I
MDP> consider that of great use and a service so, thank you!
Will others also be graced with such praise from TBUDL's maximum
authority when equally candid (but perhaps somewhat less trusting,
at this point).
ML>> but well, sometimes one has to admit he's not smart enough.
MDP> Ming-Li? Not smart enough? That'll be the day! ;-)
Once again, a very astute response from Ming-Li.
Meanwhile, Tom too crosses over to the potentate camp:
T> There will always be a grey area. I trust the moderators enough
T> to step in when it becomes "too techie" (whatever that means) on
T> TBUDL.
And he too will no doubt be rewarded for accepting the unspoken (and
never before perceived by the writer so clearly) rules governing the TBUDL
game (TB!'s technical issue aside)..
And Tom remains as trusting and confident as ever in fielding
Ming-Li's doubts:
T> Follow your gut feeling. Nobody will stone you. ;-)
We shall soon see just how true that is.
Good Night, all.
Douglas
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