Hello Thomas, Monday, August 12, 2002, 9:09:16 PM, you wrote:
MT>> Unfounded at that. No they're not professionals. Actually most of them are in roles just like I am. And I do consider myself a professional. I have been using SpamAssassin on our mail server for a year now. I use it personally, and rely on it. And yes for the record, I am a mid-size ISP. TF> act" leaves to be desired. It is obvious that they are not TF> professionals. Just out of curiosity, what makes you feel they are not professionals? They are attempting to do something that users are begging for, yet all you are doing is talking trash about them. Why don't you do some "research before you act", as you say, and find out more about the project? TF> If they even discuss stopping spam on the basis of an email client TF> that was used for 4 spam-mails, it is unprofessional. If their service TF> is used by professionals, it is scary. This isn't how the whole thing works. These people are no different than the people at Yahoo! everyone has been complaining about lately. They are looking at the headers for patterns. If they see that a lot of SPAM is being sent (he saw four messages, I see many every day) with this 1.53d version of The Bat!, then they will take steps to track down information (which they did) and if they find it a valid concern, will add it to the filter. TF> spam mails he had checked, and he himself didn't bother to offer this TF> information. Let's say, 4 out of 4. What does that tell us? That it is This is a pretty silly thought. Four out of four? I get on average 250 spam messages a night. That is the problem with having the same email address for 7 years. We are all trying to stop the flood of spam into our mailboxes, I scan headers also and look for patterns, when I find one that it isn't catching, I add it to my personal preferences for SpamAssasin. TF> not a spammer. Oh yeah, me too, says the third poster. How can this TF> even be considered an argument, much less be the basis for the TF> decision to include or not a mailer in their list? Wouldn't you think that if Yahoo! and others are looking into The Bat! being used as a spam program, that maybe, just maybe they have a valid concern? Thankfully they are not blocking it "on a whim" as you seem to think they do. These are not the RBL or ORBS people. They actually do look into it before they take radical steps. TF> there is no way but to discourage anybody from using their TF> "spamassassin". If you used it on a daily basis, you wouldn't be so quick to urge that. SA works, and it works incredibly well. I have tried just about every Windows spam blocker style program, and I can honestly say SA trumps them all. I attach a header to each message, and then filter that into a dedicated folder. One filter is all it takes. With something as simple as "if subject says *****SPAM**** send it here". No need to be elaborate, because the filtering has already been done. TF> No mistake in posting it. The lack of additional information is what TF> irritates me. And that the people who replied to his message didn't Then get on that list and see the additional information that you obvious want or need. This was posted in response to other sites blocking The Bat!. I found it very useful as I hadn't seen the message on the SA list yet. >>> Sorry, but if these guys have anything to say in ISPs, the internet is >>> doomed. MT>> They do. Spamassassin is used quite a bit in the smaller to mid-size ISP MT>> world...has been for a few years. Laughing...if SA dooms the Internet, then it was doomed at conception. I will take whatever steps I have to for my clients, and myself. SA is the best bet we have in what many System Administrators consider a war. Call it what you will, but for us on the front lines, we consider this theft. Theft of our bandwidth, our time, and even our rights. This isn't meant as any sort of attack. What is so frustrating, is that mail administrators are trying to do something about a valid concern. We are sorry if your favorite mail program is being checked for validity. We all know and love The Bat! as it is simply the best. SA is simply the best there is right now for spam control. Lyle -- Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 ________________________________________________________ Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
