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'Lo Julian,

On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:36:28 +0000 your time, you said:

JBL> On Saturday, December 14, 2002, 10:16:51 PM, Simon Blake wrote:

ACM>>> This  is  not  the  case  with  S/MIME. Can you suppress sending your
ACM>>> public  key  block  repeatedly  and with every message you send using
ACM>>> S/MIME? In fact, this is my main problem with using it.

>> That's  not the point here at all really, although it is a valid point of
>> course.  So  are  you suggesting that The Bat! should not support S/MIME?
>> And  are  you  suggesting or leading up to a banning of S/MIME use on the
>> list?

JBL> What  I  am  suggesting  is that S/MIME signing is not necessary in the
JBL> context  of  a  discussion list where the identity of the poster is not
JBL> important... <snip>

I  really  did  understand,  and call me stubborn, but I still disagree. The
delivery method of S/MIME is different to PGP... and I know that some people
see  it  as  'bandwidth unfriendly', but that's the way it works, and people
are going to have to learn to live with it.

This is the direction that we are moving in: technologies are using more and
more bandwidth as they are developed and increase in popularity. Web boards,
newsgroup  downloads,  graphic  intensive sites, flash animations, streaming
audio and video, software updates, OS updates, desktop delivery, HTML email,
S/MIME,  etc.  all  eat  bandwidth, and as we are encouraged to use them the
'system'  expands  - albeit at a price to those hoping to profit out of it -
to  accommodate  our  usage.  But we _have already moved_ into the bandwidth
intensive era as far as I am concerned, and that is being encouraged via the
services  being  levelled  at  end  users.  Therefore the Internet bandwidth
argument  is just fallacious to me. So, suggesting that it is OK to PGP sign
because  it  is  bandwidth  friendly and not to S/MIME sign because it isn't
flies  in the face of the current reality. And to accede to others' requests
not  to  use  S/MIME  would  be  an  immediate  submission to very localized
preferences  and  indicate  some  lacking in ability or will to keep in tune
with the way things are moving.

JBL> I  feel  that  you  may think that this discussion is an attack on your
JBL> rights  to use S/MIME or PGP, which it certainly is not, and I am sorry
JBL> if I have given you this impression, Simon.

No, no need to apologize at all, really :)

As I have indicated already, in some way or another, if S/MIME certification
died  a  death tomorrow I wouldn't shed any tears - apart from the fact that
I'd lose the ability to be able to communicate with a significant percentage
of  email  users.  But  my  lack  of  grief _wouldn't_ be based on bandwidth
considerations,  no,  but  simply on my *preference* for PGP as I personally
find it more suited to my uses...and I value the level of control it affords
me.  I am not really an advocate of S/MIME in the strictest sense as I would
push  PGP  (and  do)  before  S/MIME  any day, but I nonetheless acknowledge
S/MIME's  current  value, and believe that other users should comes to terms
with its presence and usage.

- --
Sl�n,

 Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk

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