Adam, I totally support your point.
Best /Giovanni. ========================== It had long since come to my attention that people of accomplishment rarely sat back and let things happen to them. They went out and happened to things. - Leonardo da Vinci ========================== On Jun 1, 2013, at 4:00 PM, "Prof. Adam Wolisz" <a...@ieee.org> wrote: > > Dear All, > I might sound strange, but I just wonder: > How many conferences addressing very similar topics should ComSoc > really > support? One per week? One per month? or slightly less? > Is there not a risk of "inflation"? Sure - new events should have a > chance, > but - can we always only keep growing in numbers of events? > Many people in the community complain about the flooding... should > we start thinking how to handle this issue? > How does this community see it? > Best > adam > On 01.06.2013 14:46, Ashutosh Dutta wrote: > > Lachlan, I like the idea of having separate metrics for evaluating the > continuing conferences compared to the new ones. Also, if we can find an > expedited process of approving technical ComSoc co-sponsorship for the > ongoing conferences (without compromising the quality), it would help the > organizing committee members of those conferences. > > Regards > Ashutosh > > On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 4:14 AM, Lachlan Andrew > [1]<lachlan.and...@gmail.com>wro > te: > > Greetings Joe, > > Thanks for designing this questionnaire. It looks useful. > > On 1 June 2013 04:10, Joe Touch [2]<to...@isi.edu> wrote: > > TPC meetings in person are much more effective in discussing papers than > any alternative, for the same reasons as in-person conferences. > > In-person conferences are useful because they promote fruitful > unplanned conversations that can generate new ideas and they build > relationships. TPC meetings are about having a conversation on a > particular topic, which may involve careful re-reading and/or > verifying facts. The latter is much more suited to a multi-day > on-line discussion than the former is. > > Another difference is that discussions at in-person conferences are > between experts in the area. If all TPC members have read the paper, > then I agree that an in-person discussion is the most effective > option. However in cases like INFOCOM where the TPC meeting > discussions deliberate only involve people who were *not* reviewers > (in order to "review the reviews"), I think that the in-person meeting > is less useful than a thorough on-line discussion between the > reviewers. > > A third difference is that most conference last more than 10 hours, > and so the travel cost is amortized over a much more substantial > event. Coming from Australia, that travel cost is typically ~50 hours > round trip (more than the hours nominally worked in a week), and > equivalent to driving an SUV ~100km each day for an entire year. If > that isn't daunting, I'll book you to give us a seminar sometime :) > > I would strongly recommend that the criterion become > > "Of the three media (a) long/active on-line discussion phase (b) > in-person TPC meeting (c) remote-access TPC meeting, the conference: > E Employs all three > A Employs two out of three > D Employs 0 or 1 of the three" > > > On 31 May 2013 06:16, Joe Touch [3]<to...@isi.edu> wrote: > > On 5/30/2013 12:47 AM, Martin Gilje Jaatun wrote: >> > > The problem with acceptance rates is that they are so easy to game - and > according to this, a conference that receives 100 great papers and > accepts 60 of them is worse than a conference that gets 1000 junk > submissions and accepts 400 of them... > > I don't agree that this can be 'gamed' on a persistent basis. > Conferences that get 100 great papers will later get 1000. It's > impossible to target a voluntary audience so directly that this happens > without correction over several events. > > That is true for conferences with a broad scope such as the flagship > conferences, but not true of more specialized conferences, however > high the quality. Conversely, a poor conference may continue to > attract 1000 submissions because it is known to be easy to get into. > > I agree that acceptance rate is a useful metric, provided it isn't > given undue weight. For conferences that have existed a few years, a > more useful metric would be the average citations per paper over some > time interval. If the IEEE could provide a script to scrape that from > Google Scholar, that would be a great separate contribution. I'd love > to be able to distinguish between the many conferences on a new topic > (IoT, smart-grid, cloud, ...) without waiting for reputation to spread > by word-of-mouth. > > $0.02, > Lachlan > > -- > Lachlan Andrew Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures (CAIA) > Swinburne University of Technology, Melbourne, Australia > [4]<http://caia.swin.edu.au/cv/landrew> > Ph +61 3 9214 4837 > _______________________________________________ > IEEE Communications Society Tech. Committee on Computer Communications > (TCCC) - for discussions on computer networking and communication. > [5]Tccc@lists.cs.columbia.edu > [6]https://lists.cs.columbia.edu/cucslists/listinfo/tccc > > _______________________________________________ > IEEE Communications Society Tech. 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