You knowledge of city census information isn't very good over time.

http://www.demographia.com/db-uscity98.htm

                Mpls            St Paul
2000        382618        287151

http://www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0027.html

Year        Mpls            St Paul
1990        368383        272235
1980        370951        270230
1970        434400        309980
1960        482872        313411
1950        521718        311349
1940        492370        287736
1930        464356        271606
1920        380582        234698
1910        301408        214744
1900        202718        163065
1890        164738        133156
1880          46887          41473


So the drop for Minneapolis happened in the 50s and St Paul peaked at the 60
census with great slowing in the 50s.  However the 1990s saw an increase,
although small, in the core city populations.

The decline started in the 50s when the car and development, combined with
highways led to further growth.  Yet when we look at more recent data, there
are decisions both at the development level (developers or city policies)
and with residents to return to the city.  Look at the growth in the
warehouse district of high density housing and townhouses.  There is also
other high density development in Uptown, off the Midtown Greenway at Lyn
Lake, near the Lake Street bridge, and at the intersection of Franklin and
Portland.

In St Paul there is a lot of high density housing between University and
Franklin, between Emerald Ave (Mpls/St Paul border) and 280.  There is
further near Fairview and University.  These are areas that I know, I am
sure there are many more.

Some of these changes can be due to a desire to regain a significant portion
of people's lives from the commute.

My biggest concern is that we will have gentrification that will further
push low and middle income families at off neighborhoods in the central
cities.

Josh Kroll
Minneapolis



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Searles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:10 PM
Subject: [TCMetro] Suburbs' dilemma/Freedom vs. saving money


> Here's an editorial from today's Star Tribune.
> http://www.startribune.com/stories/561/4722677.html
>
> Seven of the nation's 100 fastest growing counties are around Minneapolis
and St. Paul. They are  Scott, Sherburne, Wright, Isanti, Carver and Chisago
in Minnesota and St. Croix in Wisconsin.
>
> Of course the Star Tribune laments the fact that people do not want to
live the in core cities. An example is Ramsey County where the population
has descreased by 1% since 2000.
>
> I think the time would be better spent to determine not why people want to
live in the suburbs, rather why people do not wish to live in the core
cities. We see on this list and others all of the messages expressing the
virtues of the Minneapolis and St. Paul, yet they are either losing or
barely holding on to their population. Messages appear periodically
demanding that public employees live in the city where employed in an
attempt to force people to live where they do want. What is it about
Minneapolis and St. Paul that makes people can leave, leave?
>
> Tom Searles
> Waconia, Twp.
>
>
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