> On Jul 29, 2014, at 12:03 AM, "Zimmermann, Alexander" 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hi Joe,
> 
>> Am 28.07.2014 um 17:37 schrieb Joe Touch <[email protected]>:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/28/2014 1:38 AM, Zimmermann, Alexander wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>>> Am 28.07.2014 um 08:57 schrieb marcelo bagnulo braun <[email protected]>:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> As we discussed in the meeting, we should try to make some design 
>>>> decisions for TCPINC.
>>>> One of them is whether to protect or not the TCP header.
>>>> I would like to start the discussion on this topic. Arguments on one way 
>>>> or the other?
>>> 
>>> if folks want to protect the TCP header, I don’t see a (straightforward) 
>>> way on how we can
>>> use todays TOE. No TOE is a NO-GO for (at least) data center environments.
>> 
>> TOE doesn't replace the OS TCP, or the fact that the OS TCP is in control of 
>> the offload support. For any TCP modification, either the TOE supports that 
>> modification with an extended interface to the OS or not; if not, then the 
>> OS can't use the TOE for that connection.
>> 
>> None of this is new or specific to TCPINC.
> 
> full ACK. However, how many TCP extension we develop in the last decade that 
> breaks TOE?
> See for example MPTCP. You can design an extension in that way that doesn’t 
> break TOE.

The same is true for some of the proposed solutions.  AO-enc e.g. 

Joe 


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