On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Joe Touch <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> On 8/1/2014 2:11 PM, Nico Williams wrote:
>>
>> +1.  Above all: integrity protection for the entire pair of data octet
>> streams.
>>
>> Required as an option, if not alway: confidentiality protection
>> (encryption).
>
>
> AFAICT, this is backwards.
>
> The data stream needs to be confidential if we're focusing on anti-tracking.
>
> Integrity protection is relevant only if we think info will be injected that
> will be used for tracking. Do we? (I don't).

Encryption without authentication is worthless: oracles can be assumed to exist.
>
> Authentication is relevant to ensure we know who we're being confidential
> with. Any solution that allows MITM allows tracking - the tracker can
> trivially serve as the MITM.
>
> AFAICT, no solution we have yet addresses the real problem if we believe the
> charter.

What does tcpcrypt not address? What is the "real problem" that it
doesn't solve?

Sincerely,
Watson Ladd
>
> Joe
>
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