On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:16 AM, David Mazieres
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Layer-4 security should be like congestion control.  It's there and for
> the most part it just works and there are only very minor tweaks (like
> buffer sizes, enable/disable Nagle, etc., or in tcpinc's case maybe
> prioritization among a very small number of cipher suites).  Once you
> get into loading certificates and human-readable names and such into
> your sockets, you're getting into territory that is better served by
> existing TLS infrastructure, because the human-readable names come from
> the application and require application-level modification anyway.

It's quite fine to want encryption at a lower layer than
authentication, but if you do that then you'd better either key the
lower layer from the upper layer, or channel bind the lower layer into
authentication.

What I'd like to see is ECDH with ephemeral public keys for TCPINC
with an API by which to extract channel binding data that can be fed
into an application-layer protocol.  (Perhaps even TLS with null
ciphersuite + TCPINC.  Whatever.)

Nico
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