Thanks, I'd be interested to hear the perspective from the insiders, too, I'll forward if I find anything.
The Forbes article is quite dishonest reporting, as much as I agree with the sentiment behind it. 18% turnover seems low considering the 3+ month severance deal they offered everyone, and there is no comparison to the turnover prior to their structural changes. Another enormous hole is the assumption that everything at zappos is still decided in a top down way. I think that's unlikely to be the case, and anyway it would require interviews or other real data to make that claim. Looking forward to learning more! Adam On Jan 18, 2016 12:35 PM, "Grace Gellerman" <[email protected]> wrote: > Follow up: > > > http://www.forbes.com/sites/lizryan/2016/01/18/whats-causing-zappos-to-hemorrhage-talent/#443ea49435d931be6f2b35d9 > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Max Binder <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Late to the party, but this stuck out to me as familiar: >> >> old-fashioned management hierarchies stifle innovation, because they >>> naturally generate informal rules and cliques of powerful insiders, which >>> is inefficient and demoralizing, so a new and better system would be >>> founded on clear, transparent rules. Even better, the rules should be >>> flexible and adaptable, so governance procedures should be incorporated >>> into the system. >> >> >> when everyone knows the drill it eliminates much of the time-wasting >>> verbosity and psychological microdrama that often turns workdays into an >>> endless series of unproductive jaw-sessions. >> >> >> There's also a lot that makes the Zappos approach seem dogmatic, but it's >> hard to quote. Good read. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Arthur Richards <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> While the article doesn't mention Holocracy, it DOES mention Holacracy. >>> I should have skimmed closer rather than just searching the article with >>> command+f for a misspelled word :p >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Arthur Richards <[email protected] >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Oh, and of course: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holacracy >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Arthur Richards < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I haven't read the article yet but did notice they don't mention >>>>> Holocracy in it. If you're not familiar with it, Holocracy is a a >>>>> 'complete >>>>> system for self-organization' - it's an organizational system that tries >>>>> to >>>>> apply agile principles at an organizational and management scale. >>>>> Interesting stuff - Zappos is probably the most well known org that uses >>>>> Holocracy. Read more: >>>>> http://www.zapposinsights.com/about/holacracy >>>>> >>>>> https://www.mountaingoatsoftware.com/blog/holacracy-and-the-search-for-agile-organization >>>>> http://www.holacracy.org/ >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Grace Gellerman < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think that groups self-organize rather than individuals, but >>>>>> there's some truth is stranger than fiction material in here: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122965/can-billion-dollar-corporation-zappos-be-self-organized >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> teampractices mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/teampractices >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Arthur Richards >>>>> Team Practices Manager >>>>> [[User:Awjrichards]] >>>>> IRC: awjr >>>>> +1-415-839-6885 x6687 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Arthur Richards >>>> Team Practices Manager >>>> [[User:Awjrichards]] >>>> IRC: awjr >>>> +1-415-839-6885 x6687 >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Arthur Richards >>> Team Practices Manager >>> [[User:Awjrichards]] >>> IRC: awjr >>> +1-415-839-6885 x6687 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> teampractices mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/teampractices >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> teampractices mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/teampractices >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > teampractices mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/teampractices > >
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