On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 11:27:56PM -0400, Juiceman wrote: > On 6/19/06, Phillip Hutchings <sitharus at sitharus.com> wrote: > >On 6/20/06, Matthew Toseland <toad at amphibian.dyndns.org> wrote: > > > >> So is it a panacea or a nightmare? Do we want UP&P support? > > > >It would have made my initial install easier, but not significantly > >so. I think it'd certainly help the masses who don't know what port > >forwarding is. > > But also those same masses wouldn't know how to turn UP&P play on in > Windows XP SP2 and beyond, so for most people its a non-starter. If > we need to explain how to turn UP&P on, we might as well just provide > links to a "how to turn on port forwarding" help page with the most > popular routers covered. I would be willing to cobble something up > from the various help sites on the Internet and create a wiki page > that we could copy into the node code. We should probably also have a > HELP link on the Fproxy home page that links to a local copy of the > Wiki FAQ and "how to turn on port forwarding" pages.
A wiki page on how to port forward would indeed be helpful, but we can't expect 99% of the users to read any of the documentation. > > I think if people are savvy enough to install Freenet and to exchange > refs with each other, they can figure out how to do port-forwarding. What exactly are the big usability problems with installing freenet? And with exchanging references? For every extra mouse click required to get it working properly you lose half your userbase! And as I said, opennet, invitations, and other things require port forwarding. And we really don't want to have to teach every potential user how to port forward. It must be as plug and play as possible. > > Do we have any measurements on what proportion of our users have vs. > don't have port forwarding turned on? We might be chasing a > non-issue... Only if we only cater for geeks who already know how to port forward, *and* can be bothered to do so. > > P.S. ARK's seem to work quite well as I've had two people give me > their refs accidentally missing the physical.udp line and my node > looked them up just fine! :) Cool, but port forwarding should improve the reliability of connections considerably. And we simply cannot expect users to do it manually. -- Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/tech/attachments/20060620/caa0acaf/attachment.pgp>
