On Tuesday 13 May 2008 16:57, Dan wrote: > DarkNet VS OpenNet Elements > > With FreeNet yes a DarkNet can leak public but a group that is using it > to cover communications and information can work to restrict it even if > its like the olden days; a memo form of security about not deleting a > file on the mainframe. At present there is no way to force the > restrictions on it but in time the groups that begin to implement this > as a private internet will work on limiting it from breaking out of the > set group.
Sure it can, but I'm not convinced as to how useful this is: there's a lot you can do on a small darknet that's much harder on a big darknet, and Freenet is generally designed for big networks. > > I can see this project resulting in not a single world wide private > anonymous internet but resulting in many and the various nets all may or > may not come together in the world. > > Its not too hard to see there being a Christian Crusader Network forming > and an Eastern Jihad Network, a Republican Network, a Democratic > Network, and so on. People have a natural tendency to associate with > like minded groups. :) And *all of them* will have content their users consider objectionable. > > This project offers 2 elements in privacy the first is privacy from the > current network and the internet as its known today and the second is > privacy from each other. The latter in that is one that is under > personal control while a person may not want the world to know they are > part of the network they may be quite happy to have the group with in > the network know even their home address's and names. Privacy from each other is less strong than privacy from an external attacker. > > The Chat Application Function and a stripped down NODE, there is likely > a fair demand for this form of an application for a chat program running > on the freenet network it offers more than just a simple CHAT. > > Running on freenet as a mini node would mean there is continued traffic > making it impossible to pick out a conversation by watching a connection > from a setting of an ISP. The system is encrypted and secured that can > not be monitored. The Anonymous Factor on the chat is also one that > would benefit people as well. Yes talking to your Brother the anon > function is useless but the communications are secured by the system, on > the other hand your also able to chat with a total stranger and there is > no concern they may be able to locate you physically. That's completely different. Real time chat over Freenet, with both peers anonymised, is not currently feasible (well there are prototypes with ~ 15 second latency, but IMHO it will be slow and rely on some unreliable mechanisms...) > > A Chat Application would bring in a huge number of people to this, the > mini node concept would also see there being a couple million TOR style > routers available to the freenet expanding both the speed and security. > > The Seti at Home application running the distributed processing for the > Seti Project was a fairly burdensome program when your computer when > idle on screen saver mode it was quite happy to take over what ever > system resources it could. Often times I would see my system hitting > 100% cpu when I wasnt using it. > > People are willing to "Donate To the Cause" IF your machine is on 24/7 > the 8 hours your sleeping even the Gamers out there wont care so long as > when they are playing the game they dont loose latency. Only if they leave their PC on overnight. Which they won't because it uses power and emits noise (and carbon). > > Mini Node.... enough to access it for chatting, and to function as a > relay for freenet is one idea. > > The second idea is to use the Mini Nodes as MINI SERVERS.... You would > not be able to keep a server on a single IP long 10 - 15 mins and it > would need to be redundant by putting 4 or 8 or what ever together so > that any one server set looses one member the other 4 take over. They > hang out on some ones chat node for 10 mins and move on... I still don't see how you are going to distribute one node over 8 peers. And I don't understand what you are talking about with 10 - 15 minutes either. > > A FreeNet Server Applet..... The Web Pages are fairly static in nature > due to the security using the Chat Mini Nodes as temp servers would > bring a bit of dynamics to the system would be one idea as a use for a > MINI NODE. > > With the Offline Storage Concept. > > >The problem with this is that if it relies on the user coming up with the > >disk, not only will latency be terrible, but in many cases the user > won't be > >bothered - it's just way too much work to find a specific disk, at > least in > >my house! > > In a system where only 3 people have a copy of the file wanted yes > latency would be wait till it gets put in.... but in a system where 5 > million people could be asked if it was a common burned file ( IE: a > win98 DLL that went bad and some one needed a copy of) out of 5 million > that could be asked and the million that have it some one will have it > handy and put it in. If it's a common file it should be already on their system, they shouldn't need to put a disk in. > > And the idea with it is to make it of a benefit to the user as well not > just to the freenet. > > The application I have in mind would provide the user with an index of > the off line files they have stored, as they scan in the cd/dvd the > system builds them a nice little storage index database so that they are > able to find things.... all they need to do is mark them #1 #2 etc. > > The system would also need to generate the file id hash's ideally for a > number of the P2P apps as well as part of the Database. > > With the Hash's all ready if a person goes to click on a file the > database can look it up and tell the user you have that file on disc #12 > already.... (benefit is saves the bandwidth for the freenet and for the > user as well as time) If they can be bothered to find it. In my home there are hundreds of disks... > > The DataBase does not get published your not all of a sudden sharing > everything burnt publicly even on an anon system.... the Freenet uses it > to when it has a file that is either no longer on the system or is only > 78% complete as a few of the nodes no longer have the blocks that would > have completed it. It would have to be published, but it could be published in an encrypted form. > > In a small user base system this would be SLOW but in a large user base > system it could see 500 copies brought online by various users instead > of being a brand new seed in terms of Bit Torrent and it being > propagated back into the free net, with 500 copies it becomes and > instant swarm and you have 90k/sec down. with non of them upping more > than a few K each. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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