Sat, 09 Dec 2017 12:33:30 -0700 "Theo de Raadt" <[email protected]>
> > Sat, 09 Dec 2017 12:02:07 -0700 "Theo de Raadt" <[email protected]>
> > > > With all the respect and understanding what you're saying is true, yet
> > > > I have the time to change my prompt, and it would still affect me.
> > >
> > > If you have changed it, it is irrelevant what the value was before
> > > the change. You detail no impact. You appeal is 100% emotion.
> >
> > Hi Theo,
> >
> > Anyone use Emacs tramp mode? If it works after this change, I'm happy.
> > If not, I'd have to go and plea there, or plea here to have a tunable..
> > Over time tramp mode will pick it up, just as it picked up bash prompt.
> > Please don't let me get in the way of this change, objection retracted.
>
> OH COME ON
>
> If you are noting the problem, then you probably use the software!
>
> The diff is *trivial* to apply, and you could have tested that case
> before you replied, then provided definitive FACTUAL INFORMATION to
> the conversation instead of moaning and groaning all emo.
>
> As I've told a few other people, this diff seperates the boys from the
> men. The boys are the ones with 1 machine, maybe 2 with seperate
> keyboards. The men are the ones with 50 machine or maybe even more,
> who are struggling with the time commitment to keep infrastructure on
> the leading tip, and therefore this totally minimal default prompt
> setting may be a substantial step at reducing error.
>
> But maybe this boys vs men comparison also regards other
> conversational strategies, you ever think of that??
>
> It is sub-conversations like this which cause many developers to not
> send their diffs to tech and move them forward more privately. This
> forum has too many people who think their voice is equal when their
> discourse is sub-equal. A big part of the project is a meritocratic
> which requires participants aim to keep the conversation about the
> TECHNICAL IMPACT rather than only 'gut reaction'. Therefore many of
> you are not equal, because you don't attempt to be equal in discourse.
> You are 2 for 2 of saying essentially "maybe but maybe not" and taking
> no effort to elevate to FACTS. Looking at my cat on the couch I see a
> clear look of "maybe but maybe not". I think we can expect better on
> this list.
Hi Theo,
You'll find the boys cheering in the "+1" shell / modal editors section,
and also in the "-1" configuration management / cargo scripting section.
Please allow me to know (rarely say) what could affect "my" use case for
previous experience w/ Emacs tramp, not blaming this for withheld diffs.
After tests (debug), confirmed it WORKS without issues in this use case.
Trying this in use actually seems meaningful, and useful out of the box.
Now I have to invent another reason to keep setting PS1 on all machines:
PS1='\a=== \D{%a %b %d [%H:%M]} \u@\h:\w (\l) j\j e$? h\! ===\n\$ '
=== Sun Dec 10 [01:10] ant@sun:~ (tty00) j0 e0 h1 ===
$
I am not playing along the script, raised some concern here, that's all.
I'll run with this without any more fuss, just as if I didn't notice it.
As previously said, I'd retracted my objection already, confirmed again.
Kind regards,
Anton Lazarov
