On 11/12/18 11:20 AM, John Long wrote:
On Mon, 2018-11-12 at 06:57 +0000, Jason McIntyre wrote:
On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 07:36:55PM -0500, Brian Callahan wrote:
Hi tech --
Reminded by the recent email to tech@ about calendar.christian, I
took a look at syncing calendar.judaic.
This diff does the following:
1. Sync the holiday days that are not connected to Pesach, which
on
our calendar is Chanukah, Fast of 10 Tevet, and Yom Yerushalayim.
I am not sure what this means. All of the Jewish holidays move on the
civil calendar year to year. However, since every time the calendar
includes an additional month (a second Adar) the month is inserted
before Pesach; therefore the holidays which fall after that time do
not move *relative to Pesach* but they do move on the civil calendar.
What are you talking about? This is in reference to the code in
calendar(1) that sets the dates for the Judaic calendar. If you think
there's something wrong there, I await your patch to
usr.bin/calendar/pesach.c
Yes, I know how the Hebrew calendar works. mickey@'s calculation is
actually quite nice IMO.
2. Add the holidays that are explicitly mentioned on the Wikipedia
page of Jewish holidays, which adds Tu B'Shevat to our calendar.
3. Replace the year marker on Rosh Hashana with the current Jewish
year (5741 => 5779). This calendar has to be updated yearly as it
is anyway, so it seems odd to me not to put the current year if
we're going to list a year in connection with Rosh Hashanah.
It looks like mickey@ removed Yom HaAtzmaut some years ago due to
the understanding that this be a religious and not secular
calendar. Which is a perfectly legitimate stance, as there is no
universal yes or no as to whether or not the Israeli rememberance
holidays are religious holidays, both in Israel and in the
dispora.
There is. Yom Hatzmaut, Yom HaShoah, Yom Hazikaron, Yom Yerushalayim
are all Israeli (civil) holidays not connected to the Jewish religion.
Reform Judaism and Conservative Judaism (in the US, at least) both treat
Yom HaShoah as a religious holiday, with both crafting prayers
specifically for the holiday and with Conservative Judaism writing a new
liturgy for the day.
This is considered so "common knowledge" that Wikipedia has a whole
section on it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_HaShoah#Religious_observances_and_liturgy
Additionally, there is no reason that calendar.judaic cannot be both a
religious and secular calendar. mickey@ clearly had reasons for
preferring to it to be religious only but I can't go ask him his
reasoning for it. So my question is whether or not people prefer one
over the other. I slightly prefer it to be both religious and secular
but I care more about the dates being maintained so am willing to go
either way.
So we either need to remove Yom Yerushalayim for the same reason,
or add back Yom HaAtzmaut, and add Yom HaShoah and Yom Hazikaron.
Doesn't matter to me either way. It might be nice to include Yom
HaShoah in either event, as it is likely to become a universal
Jewish religious holiday within our lifetimes.
That is absolutely not true. No major religious authority has ever
recognized any of the Israeli civil holidays.
This again is so not true that Wikipedia has a section on it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_HaShoah#Religious_observances_and_liturgy
But again, we can make the calendar religious and secular.
You may disagree with the Reform and Conservative movement, but both are
major religious authorities and normative Judaism.
Whatever is decided
having Yom Yerushalayim by itself is the strangest of all worlds.
And I'll volunteer to keep this calendar synced since I might be
the only one who cares about it.
OK?
~Brian
morning.
if you're willing to do the work, i say go for it. i don;t have
enough
knowledge about dates/holidays to provide any useful feedback.
if you have any opinion on the .christian diff, please do reply. i'm
about to as well, but again i just don;t have the knowledge to deal
with this.
I can help with this. Contact me offline with any questions.
In the diff below I see some conflicts in terms of transliteration.
There are two main communities of Jews and the transliterations below
do not align with either one in all cases.
Honestly, the transliterations are fine. I'll write them all in Yiddish
though if you have concerns.
~Brian
/jl
jmc
Index: calendar.judaic
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RCS file: /cvs/src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.judaic,v
retrieving revision 1.5
diff -u -p -r1.5 calendar.judaic
--- calendar.judaic 6 Sep 2005 23:42:59 -0000 1.5
+++ calendar.judaic 12 Nov 2018 00:11:04 -0000
@@ -7,7 +7,7 @@
#ifndef _calendar_judaic_
#define _calendar_judaic_
-Pesach+163 First Day of Rosh Hashanah (Jewish Lunar New Year;
5741 == 1980;
+Pesach+163 First Day of Rosh Hashanah (Jewish Lunar New Year;
5779 == 2018;
sabbatical)
Pesach+164 Rosh Hashanah (sabbatical)
Pesach+166 Fast of Gedalya (Murder of Gedalya and subsequent
Exile; fast day)
@@ -17,8 +17,9 @@ Pesach+179 Succot (sabbatical)
Pesach+184 Hoshanah Rabba (7th day of Succos)
Pesach+185 Shmini Atzeres (8th Day of Gathering; sabbatical)
Pesach+186 Shmini Atzeres/Simchas Torah (Rejoicing of the Law;
sabbatical)
-12/12* First Day of Chanukah
-12/27* Fast of Asara B'Tevet (Babylonians put siege on
Jerusalem; fast day)
+12/03* First Day of Chanukah
+12/18* Fast of Asara B'Tevet (Babylonians put siege on
Jerusalem; fast day)
+01/20* Tu B'Shevat (New Year of the Trees)
Pesach-31 Fast of Esther (Battle of Purim; fast day)
Pesach-30 Purim (Feast of Lots)
Pesach-29 Purim (Feast of Lots)
@@ -27,10 +28,10 @@ Pesach+1 Pesach (sabbatical)
Pesach+6 Pesach (sabbatical)
Pesach+7 Pesach (Last Day of Passover; 8th day of Pesach;
sabbatical)
Pesach+34 Lag Ba`omer (Commemoration of the Great Rebellion)
-05/22* Yom Yerushalayim (Reunification of Jerusalem)
+06/01* Yom Yerushalayim (Reunification of Jerusalem)
Pesach+50 Shavuot (Festival of Weeks; sabbatical)
Pesach+51 Shavuot (Festival of Weeks; sabbatical)
-07/10* Fast of Shiv'a Asar B'Tammuz (Romans breach Wall of
Jerusalem; fast day)
+07/21* Fast of Shiv'a Asar B'Tammuz (Romans breach Wall of
Jerusalem; fast day)
Pesach+81 Fast of Tish'a B'Av (Babylon destroys Holy Temple;
fast day)
#endif /* !_calendar_judaic_ */
