Larry, et al.,
That "internal testing" paper you referred to exists. It is the Testing
group's
other white paper called Business-to-Business ... aka B2B ... Testing White
Paper. The Certification and Compliance testing paper points the reader
to
the B2B for a discussion of the very types of testing that Ramakrishna
Pidaparti
referred to.
The B2B paper is also available on the SNIP with the other work products.
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Subject: RE: Certifications
Many seem to be concerned about the differences of interpretation and
implementation for testing vendors. Some seem to be convinced that
entities
are better off NOT obtaining 3rd party certification than obtaining it,
because detailed element-by-element rules haven't been established,
creating
a single meaning for the term 'compliant'.
I went through the 837P just to see how many 'interpretations' there are.
For most elements -- there is ONE. Even the should vs. must issue doesn't
add that much ambiguity. There are a few exceptions, which have been
discussed tirelessly, and we'll all maintain flexibility on those items in
testing, so that trading partners can work it out.
The bar has already been set -- it is the X12N Implementation Guides. Fact
is, TRANSACTIONS can be systematically evaluated to see if they comply with
the implementation guides, barring the ambiguities I already mentioned.
Granted, some vendors will do this better than others, and there are some
ambiguities. However, the value of transaction certification from a
credible 3rd party, as the paper indicates, still has significant value.
This value is in 3 key areas (and probably more):
1) Assistance in identifying problems or issues within one's
implementation,
in order to significantly reduce the number of issues or problems found
when
exchanging with trading partners.
2) Removing the bottleneck of testing, where everyone has to wait until
everyone else is ready to begin external testing.
3) The use of a trusted 3rd party solution by a trading partner as a way of
scrutinizing their trading partners prior to exchanging transactions with
them. This limits the amount of 'debugging' of each other's systems that
trading partners have to do.
I do think that we're caught in a bit of a semantic problem here as well.
The WEDI SNIP white paper simply uses the term 'certification' to indicate
that an independent 3rd party is willing to make a public statement about
an
entity's transactions. The credibility and openness of that 3rd party's
methods is crucial to this. The only difference between this concept and
that of testing is that it is done by a 3rd party. I don't believe the
paper is intending to state that this certification should be used to
indicate that an entire organization, or even system, is entirely
compliant,
nor that one can simply get 'certified' and assume that everything is going
to work perfectly. Perhaps this needs to be made clearer in the paper.
Finally, Ramakrishna Pidaparti mentioned that there are some things missing
from the WEDI SNIP Transaction Compliance and Certification white paper:
"the traditional
Software Testing aspects of unit, system, integration, beta, acceptance,
stress, load, performance and automated testing." These are very important
to the testing process, but actually come chronologically BEFORE this white
paper, which deals with the external testing/certification that occurs once
an entity has reason to believe they are compliant. I believe it has been
suggested that a separate white paper addressing Internal Testing (which
occurs before external testing) be written. I think this would serve the
industry well, as these are critical issues. However, the time is NOW to
get it done. April 16, 2003 is not far away. Any volunteers?
Regards,
Larry Watkins
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Subject: RE: Certifications
Of course, there are exhaustive testing plans in progress. The covered
entitites have millions of dollars in revenue at risk.
While some vendors are available to assist them, many of their IT
departments are talented and very capable of handling these requirements.
Where the "bar" is set for acceptance is one of the challenges and will
vary
from one entity to another according to there business needs. That level of
acceptance must be left to each overed entity and is not the issue here.
Comparison of one entitiies concept of HIPAA compliance .vs. another is the
key issue here. Thus, the need for an industry wide acceptance of what
defines HIPAA compliant.
Julie A. Thompson
VP EDI Solutions
http://www.concio.com
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My 2 cents on this topic. The undeniable reality is that every single
trading partner in healthcare today accepts the "good enough" testing
method. There are no exhaustive test plans on either side. Until now, via
third parties, there has been no attempt at certification against a
standard. We are making progress and it should be encouraged. Perfection
is
a goal.
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