Still, Jean-Pierre has it right, i think: In MusixTeX it is not possible to get twice the same clef. The clef must change or you don't see it.

You can perhaps try something as (if the clef was already \treble)

\setclef18\zchangeclefs\setclef1\treble\changeclefs

clef 8 is a blanco clef, but it is not documented in the old manual

Andre
----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Simons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Typesetting music with TeX" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 5:08 PM
Subject: RE: [TeX-music] key-signature layout


I've extracted and posted the section about clefs from the revised musixdoc
that Andre and I have been working on:
http://icking-music-archive.org/software/musixtex/mxdocclefs.pdf
The very first example seems to answer your question (text at bottom of
p.52, printed example at top of p.53). I'm curious why you didn't come
across \setclef...\changeclefs from the current manual, and also why
Jean-Pierre didn't recommend this approach. Maybe I'm missing something
here.

--Don Simons

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 1:21 AM
To: Typesetting music with TeX
Subject: [TeX-music] key-signature layout


Hi all

I've got two questions concerning clefs and keys:

Is it possible to force a clef symbol being printed (with all automatic
spacing) whithout the key
is being changed? (\changecontext does not put a clef symbol when the
\setclef is called with the actual clef as parameter).

When setting a piece with soprano clef (C on first line) with one flat,
the flat is put to the
space below the lowest line. To my feeling (and according to the type
setting conventions of the 17th) the flat should be put on the  4th
line (i.e. one octave higher). Is there a way to convince PMX/MusiXTeX
to do this?

regards
Bernhard

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