texascavers Digest 21 Jun 2014 05:43:03 -0000 Issue 1997
Topics (messages 23951 through 23969):
Looking for...
23951 by: Julie Jenkins
Karst Groundwater at Birmingham and Cave and Karst Science news
23952 by: George Veni
A Strange Device
23953 by: Mixon Bill
23954 by: Andy Gluesenkamp
CNN online news: Man Falls 3.300 feet
23955 by: Logan McNatt
Bob Cowell
23956 by: Mimi Jasek
23959 by: Julie Jenkins
23966 by: Butch Fralia \(CAVEDBA\)
23967 by: Mimi Jasek
paging Bill Steele
23957 by: Jill Orr
23958 by: Julie Jenkins
Guy Saved From Cave Has 728 People to Thank
23960 by: Lee H. Skinner
Caving in the afterlife
23961 by: [email protected]
23962 by: gregg.wllms
23963 by: Louise Power
Texas Caver Announcement
23964 by: Jill Orr
23965 by: Don Arburn
Grant for archaeological research
23968 by: George Veni
Kevlar related
23969 by: [email protected]
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Wes Schumacher please contact jules jenk off line. Thnks
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Dear Friends,
I'm happy to forward the following announcements for John Gunn. The first is
mostly for hydrogeologists, but the second is for any disciple involving Cave
and Karst Science...
1. The web site for the 2015 "Karst Groundwater at Birmingham" [KG@B] meeting
is now up and running at: http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/generic/kgatb/index.aspx .
2. Volumes of the journal "Cave & Karst Science" (Transactions of the British
Cave Research Association) from 1974 to 2005 are now available as free
downloads at
http://bcra.org.uk/pub/candks/catalogue.html.<http://bcra.org.uk/pub/candks/catalogue.html<http://bcra.org.uk/pub/candks/catalogue.html.%3chttp:/bcra.org.uk/pub/candks/catalogue.html>.>
3. To view more recent volumes go to http://bcra.org.uk/pub/candks/index.html .
There is normally an annual fee to access this content but BCRA Council have
agreed to provide free access for 1 month to encourage scientists to read past
papers and, hopefully, to take out a subscription to support future
publications. So, if you would like to read David Lowe's latest paper on
Inception Horizons ("Geological influences on cave origin and development in
the Yorkshire Dales, UK"; issue 41(1), 2014) or Trevor Faulkners detailed
discussion of flow hydraulics in karst conduits ("Speleogenesis and scallop
formation and demise under hydraulic control and other recharge regimes"; issue
40(3), 2013) go to the web site, click on the padlock and you will be taken to
a site where you can either subscribe to the journal or obtain a free 1 month
subscription that will allow you to download the papers.
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Best wishes,
John
Professor John Gunn
Limestone Research Group
School of Geography, Earth & Environmental Sciences University of Birmingham
Edgbaston Birmingham
B15 2TT
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George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
www.nckri.org<http://www.nckri.org>
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When a new member joined the UT Grotto last semester, having spent the
fall semester at the University of Bristol and gotten started caving
with the UBSS, I dug out my copy of a hilarious little book called "A
Strange Device" about a British caving club called the V.E.C.,
thinking our new member, who had also been exposed to the Bristol
Exploration Club (the B.E.C.), might enjoy it. He did, and another
member has also read it and suggested, since it may be unique in this
country, it should be scanned. As the stories appeared many years ago
in the B.E.C.'s Belfry Bulletin and are on its web site, I don't feel
too guilty about it (but you didn't get it from me).
The quick-and-dirty scan is temporarily at
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26580089/A%20Strange%20Device.pdf
Enjoy -- Mixon
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This looks like a fun read. Thanks for sharing.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 19, 2014, at 4:05 PM, Mixon Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> When a new member joined the UT Grotto last semester, having spent the fall
> semester at the University of Bristol and gotten started caving with the
> UBSS, I dug out my copy of a hilarious little book called "A Strange Device"
> about a British caving club called the V.E.C., thinking our new member, who
> had also been exposed to the Bristol Exploration Club (the B.E.C.), might
> enjoy it. He did, and another member has also read it and suggested, since it
> may be unique in this country, it should be scanned. As the stories appeared
> many years ago in the B.E.C.'s Belfry Bulletin and are on its web site, I
> don't feel too guilty about it (but you didn't get it from me).
>
> The quick-and-dirty scan is temporarily at
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26580089/A%20Strange%20Device.pdf
>
> Enjoy -- Mixon
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Truly amazing that the caver in Germany survived a 3,300 ft fall, according to the title of the CNN News story currently online. I sent them a
correction.
Logan
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Lost, but not forgotten. Happy Birthday, old friend, wherever you are. Hope the
caving is good:)
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Happy caving Bob!
> On Jun 20, 2014, at 12:41 AM, Mimi Jasek <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Lost, but not forgotten. Happy Birthday, old friend, wherever you are. Hope
> the caving is good:)
>
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This would be a good place for a facebook like!
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From: Mimi Jasek [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 12:41 AM
To: TexasCavers
Subject: [Texascavers] Bob Cowell
Lost, but not forgotten. Happy Birthday, old friend, wherever you are. Hope
the caving is good:)
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Yes it would:) Forgot about TSA fb page. Every year for what seems like forever
I've had three San Antonio cavers to remember in June for their birthdays -
forever friend Nathan Summar on the 18th, my own cave man Jim on the 19th, and
our wonderful Bob on the 20th! What's not to like about that:)
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 20, 2014, at 7:19 PM, "Butch Fralia \(CAVEDBA\)" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
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> This would be a good place for a facebook like!
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> From: Mimi Jasek [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 12:41 AM
> To: TexasCavers
> Subject: [Texascavers] Bob Cowell
>
> Lost, but not forgotten. Happy Birthday, old friend, wherever you are. Hope
> the caving is good:)
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Bill, please contact me off line. (have lost email addresses with new
computer)
Jill
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Wes Schumacher paging...
Please contact Jules
> On Jun 20, 2014, at 7:52 AM, "Jill Orr" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Bill, please contact me off line. (have lost email addresses with new
> computer)
> Jill
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From Newser: http://tinyurl.com/n52dqyc
Lee
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A caver, who I have great respect for, recently posted something that subtly
suggested there would be caving opportunities in the afterlife.
Just for fun, let's look at 6 options.
1 ). Our soul has a mass equivalent to pi times the number of electrons in our
soul.
or,
2 ). Our soul has 0.000000 nanograms of mass.
or
3 ). Our soul is transferred to a biological host in another dimension of time
and space.
or,
4 ). Traditional reincarnation
or
5 ). Return to Earth as a human
or
6 ). Our souls actually gain mass.
Then there is the geology of any caves in Heaven or Hell. Limestone or karst
does not seem to be logical. Maybe we get R&R trips to solid places like
planets ? Or maybe caves are energy conduits like The Stargate Wormhole ?
Did I miss any other possibility ?
David Locklear
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I have to say the thought of an after life as a massless being with caves as a
vehicle to allow interdementional exploration of the cosmos to be quite
delightful and fantastical.Thanks.
<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: [email protected]
</div><div>Date:2014/06/20 1:51 PM (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: CaveTex
<[email protected]> </div><div>Subject: [Texascavers] Caving in the
afterlife </div><div>
</div>A caver, who I have great respect for, recently posted something that
subtly suggested there would be caving opportunities in the afterlife.
Just for fun, let's look at 6 options.
1 ). Our soul has a mass equivalent to pi times the number of electrons in our
soul.
or,
2 ). Our soul has 0.000000 nanograms of mass.
or
3 ). Our soul is transferred to a biological host in another dimension of time
and space.
or,
4 ). Traditional reincarnation
or
5 ). Return to Earth as a human
or
6 ). Our souls actually gain mass.
Then there is the geology of any caves in Heaven or Hell. Limestone or karst
does not seem to be logical. Maybe we get R&R trips to solid places like
planets ? Or maybe caves are energy conduits like The Stargate Wormhole ?
Did I miss any other possibility ?
David Locklear
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I'd like to recommend that all of you who are interested in this subject read a
book called Sum by David Eagleman. It's short , only 110 pages. Many of you
could read it in an afternoon. Has some very interesting takes on the
afterlife. Many of you may have heard of one of his theories (to paraphrase):
We have three deaths: 1. When we actually die,2. When we are buried, and3. When
our names are uttered for the last time.
Think about that. If you've done anything in which your name ends up in print
or for which you are frequently cited or if you're exceptionally prolific, you
may be hanging around for a long time after the first two deaths.
Louise
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 15:26:38 -0500
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving in the afterlife
I have to say the thought of an after life as a massless being with caves as a
vehicle to allow interdementional exploration of the cosmos to be quite
delightful and fantastical.Thanks.
-------- Original message --------From: [email protected] Date:2014/06/20
1:51 PM (GMT-06:00) To: CaveTex Subject: [Texascavers] Caving in the
afterlife
A caver, who I have great respect for, recently posted something that subtly
suggested there would be caving opportunities in the afterlife.
Just for fun, let's look at 6 options.
1 ). Our soul has a mass equivalent to pi times the number of electrons in our
soul.
or,
2 ). Our soul has 0.000000 nanograms of mass.
or
3 ). Our soul is transferred to a biological host in another dimension of time
and space.
or,
4 ). Traditional reincarnation
or
5 ). Return to Earth as a human
or
6 ). Our souls actually gain mass.
Then there is the geology of any caves in Heaven or Hell. Limestone or karst
does not seem to be logical. Maybe we get R&R trips to solid places like
planets ? Or maybe caves are energy conduits like The Stargate Wormhole ?
Did I miss any other possibility ?
David Locklear
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Hi Texas Cavers,
Aside from the other great people who've volunteered to help solicit
articles, Mallory Mayeaux has agreed to be Associate Editor for the Texas
Caver Magazine, and make direct contact for articles on all the great trips
going on. Since for the next few months I can only make general requests,
which have been quite ineffective, I really need the support.
The upcoming issue, which is completed and currently being edited, is
greatly reduced for lack of articles and photos. I really hope to catch up
and have a full sized issue in a reasonable time frame. Many thanks to all
new and regular contributors and apologies to subscribers for the late and
shrunken issue.
Jill
210.399.6762
<http://jillorr.businesscatalyst.com/> jillorr.businesscatalyst.com
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Woo! Thanks Jill! Thanks Mallory!! You ladies ROCK!
--Don
> On Jun 20, 2014, at 3:52 PM, Jill Orr <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hi Texas Cavers,
> Aside from the other great people who’ve volunteered to help solicit
> articles, Mallory Mayeaux has agreed to be Associate Editor for the Texas
> Caver Magazine, and make direct contact for articles on all the great trips
> going on. Since for the next few months I can only make general requests,
> which have been quite ineffective, I really need the support.
>
> The upcoming issue, which is completed and currently being edited, is greatly
> reduced for lack of articles and photos. I really hope to catch up and have a
> full sized issue in a reasonable time frame. Many thanks to all new and
> regular contributors and apologies to subscribers for the late and shrunken
> issue.
>
> Jill
> <image003.png>
> 210.399.6762
> jillorr.businesscatalyst.com
>
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Dear Friends,
If you or anyone you know is working on archaeological projects in the
Mediterranean or Andes and is looking for seed money, look at the following
link:
http://www.centerfornonprofitexcellence.org/grantmakers-directory/curtiss-t-and-mary-g-brennan-foundation
Be aware that "Grants are not available for dissertation research. Grants can
only be made to tax-exempt nonprofit organizations that qualify under Section
501(c)( 3) of the Internal Revenue Code, or to non US-based institutions that
can demonstrate similar qualifications. No grants will be made to individuals,
or to religious or political organizations." You can find other guidelines
through the above website.
Feel free to share this information with anyone who may be interested, and you
if apply, good luck! I'm hoping to see more cave archeological research funded.
George
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George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
www.nckri.org<http://www.nckri.org>
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In the news today, it was announced that the chemist credited with the
discovery of Kevlar,
has passed away. Stephanie Kwolek was her name.
Sometime around 1986 or 87, I was taking a materials science course at
A&M and had access to a tensile-test machine. I asked the professor
if I could test a piece of 5mm Kevlar cord.
I put a figure 8 knot in each end. and tied each end to the steel bar
connectors. I think I had about 15 inches between the knots.
It broke in the middle of the upper knot at around 10,000 pounds.
The professor was
quite surprised.
I used the cord in my Mitchell System, from my foot to an upper Jumar,
several times over a 2 year period, on some pits that were under 200
feet. At the foot attachment, I tied the Kevlar cord into a
chicken-loop rig, described by James Jasek ( I think ) in a Texas
Caver in the late 70's or early 80's. So that the Kevlar cord was
the only thing holding my foot to the Jumar. I did not tie the cord
to the Jumar eye-hole, but wrapped it around the handle and tied it
off.
While I would not recommend doing that now, I would say the cord is
light enough to throw in the cave-pack for an emergency or as a
back-up.
David Locklear
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